Stunter Qualifications??
 

Stunter, stunna, etc.....

what are the qualifications for a 'stunna'

do u just have 2 wheelie?? or do u need trix from the 4 categories?? or do 12z instantly make u a stunna??

whats the deal?

Rick929

i dont think you really gotta be worryin about that one!!

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Merk350 [/i]
[B]i dont think you really gotta be worryin about that one!! [/B][/QUOTE]


Not to swell any heads, but, I think you guys got it covered!:twofinger

12's are begining to be more than just something nice to have in your bag. But alone, don't think they make u a stunna .

i think it's all in your presentation. when short wheelies, combos and the acrobatic stuff are done right, they all LOOK mindblowing. I think your flow is where it's at. I mean-you rode with NICE, that's the kinda a energy and fluidness that makes a stunna.

also jumping dirtbikes makes you a stunna:confused:

YEAH.
 

WELL SAID.:cool:

bye the way, Rick-i know we're close in age. (under 21) and i'm gonna be movin to south-FL soon. If you ever need someone to ride wit' or just fuck shit up, hit me up when i get down there!

aaron

thanx for the props guys

kinda agree balla, i remember when the 'stunna' used to be the guy who could do a standup for a mile......then the 1 rockin tank wheelies/highchairs/short stoppies was the man...etc.....

i just keep hearing the word gettin spit out alot and im wonderin what the persons talkin bout

i thinks its kinda in the toss up stage like 'squid'

thanx for the input

(whenever ur ready)

Rick929

all 4 categories

wheelies
stoppies
burnouts
acrobatics

if you cant do em all, you will lose! why should anyone who cant do stoppies or burnouts be able to call themselves the best "freestyle" rider in america and hold claim to any type of title??

of course I am biased since im the one that made that shit up and implemented in in the XSBA rulebook, but look how much that one thing has changed the competitions from 2001 and early 2002..... to now

Dan Jackson is the only rider to ever score a perfect 20 in variation at the XSBA, he did it at portland during his qualifying run.... which was in my opinion, the best run of the entire year... I think his total score was a 95

anyways, im rambling
later
thomas

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DSOG Thomas [/i]
[B]all 4 categories

wheelies
stoppies
burnouts
acrobatics

[/B][/QUOTE]

yo Thomas,

What do you think about adding a catagory to that something like overall show, fluidness, crowd pleasing....etc Sometimes you can meet all those catagories on a junk run, there is a good amount of showmanship involved, nah mean? just a thought

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by hessogood [/i]
[B]yo Thomas,

What do you think about adding a catagory to that something like overall show, fluidness, crowd pleasing....etc Sometimes you can meet all those catagories on a junk run, there is a good amount of showmanship involved, nah mean? just a thought [/B][/QUOTE]

Agreed.

Although Dan Jackson is a good stunt rider I don't think his performance execution rates up with Chauncey. Why should someone win the event based on his "attempts" rather than overall performance / completion? Chauncey pulls off 3 minutes of random tricks, never repeated, perfectly executed, but doesn't win because he didn't stop and do a donut?

I just don't see why someone who has "sack" will always win over skill.

[B]Quality over Quantity[/B] :D

Lata,
Bri

PS. I am by no means disrespecting Dan Jackson. I am mearly using him as an example to challenge your post. He is a very talented rider and he has my vote for one of the top dogs tpday. I'm just laying your post down on the table.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bri_dte [/i]
[B]Agreed.

Although Dan Jackson is a good stunt rider I don't think his performance execution rates up with Chauncey. Why should someone win the event based on his "attempts" rather than overall performance / completion? Chauncey pulls off 3 minutes of random tricks, never repeated, perfectly executed, but doesn't win because he didn't stop and do a donut?

I just don't see why someone who has "sack" will always win over skill.

[B]Quality over Quantity[/B] :D

Lata,
Bri
[/B][/QUOTE]

I completely agree! Today it's pretty much a given that anyone competing on this level can do a donut, so why should someone be penalized for NOT doing an easy/basic trick. Smoothness/execution of harder and newer tricks should carry MUCH more weight in scoring!

Oh, and any rider trying hard to stunt, not just doing wheelies, but really trying to get better and that is able to compete is a stunna i think! The ones who inovate, always have the hardest tricks on lock and are WINNING comps are just the PIMP/GANGSTA STUNNAS!:apimp

I dont understand these arguments? if you apply it to the XSBA its like arguing to me that the sky is blue.... Who won at daytona? Chauncey, He also won at portland, so whats the arguement there?

the judging used to be 10 points for variation, and 10 points for number of tricks.... thats how sack wins over skill... if you have someone who can do apehangers cliffhangers no handed wheelies and circles... but cant do endos or acrobatics or burnouts should they beat everyone else in a freestyle event?? hmmmm...

now... what if they can do all sorts of insane acrobatics and some wheelies....but no burnouts or endos.....you wouldnt want to see them winning then huh??? I bet not

basically, if you are just good at one certain thing, you wont win at XSBA freestyle, thats why we are slowly implementing other contests...like the longest stoppie

and trust me its not a given that everyone at this level can do burnouts, I know a few people who we all respect that cant, or couldnt a few months ago!..... Chauncey didnt do any in his qualifying run at pocono.... he still qualified... as a matter of fact Chauncey does repeat tricks on occasion... he did 2 no handed wheelies in that same run at pocono!!!! still qualified, so whats the point? HIS SKILL KEPT HIM IN THE TOP!

Look at Chaunceys daytona winning run, he didnt do anything especially difficult (well anything on his normal level lol) and he won, by 1 point... but if Dan Jackson would have gotten that backwards burnout in time before the checkered flag came out, he would have won... thats just the way shit goes though.

the fluidness and showmanship is included in the overall run score in the XSBA judging

overall- 40 points- smoothness/crowd pleasing/well thought out?
execution- 20 points- how well you did your tricks
difficulty- 20 points- how hard are the tricks you did
variation- 20 points, variation is broken down into 4 categories, a rider can earn 5 points for 5 different wheelies, 5 for 5 different stoppies, 5 for acrobatics, and 5 for burnouts....

for example if you do no burnouts, you cost yourself 5 points, that can be serious shit when you lose by like 3 points huh?

i dunno, i just dont think those arguments can apply to the XSBA. bottom line is that you have to show us that you are well rounded rider to win, Thats why its called "freestyle" shit i know kids doin mad 12's now... cant do no endos, no burnouts, never even tried acrobatics.... should they be winning a freestyle event?? or should they just enter the wheelie contest??

Thomas

Brian were you even arguing with me?

i dunno i just re read it agin, I dont knwo who u were arguing with

im cuntfused lol

Back to the original question. To be a good stunter you need all that shit, but to be just a stunter, you dont need any tricks at all. Its just your attitude about riding. We all started with the high speed low altitude garbage wheelies. We sucked, but we were still stunters. If you'd rather practice wheelies than hit corners, you're a stunter.

i know i just pose as a stunna, its my secret identity....i jus put a decal in my windscreen and try to get people to look at me like im kool....lol....i even dropped my bike a few times so itll look crunchy, am i cool?....shhhh dont tell ok.....its a secret:jester :jester

hmmm, what makes someone a stunter. i mean its so hard to say. theres so many peeps out there trying hard to be good, practicing all the time and even more. coming up with new tricks. i think everyone that puts there HEART into it,has dreams about riding, and gets back on there bike after they fall is a stunter,or at least they will be someday.

ZANNMANN

Its just your attitude about riding. We all started with the high speed low altitude garbage wheelies. We sucked, but we were still stunters. If you'd rather practice wheelies than hit corners, you're a stunter. "MIKE M"

i agree with that bro...attitude is where it is

The question that has been on everyones mind...I wondered when it would come to this now that we are getting bigger as a sport. What makes you stunter??? Hmmmm???

I guess I agree with many points of many of the posts. There are and always will be different levels of riders out there. I think for guys to say that the "newbie" who just started doing endos and wheelies is not a stunter is maybe unfair, but I also agree that just because you can do them doesn't make you a stunter.

Stunter is not a title...it is a way of life...it consumes you...you cannot wait till you can get back on your bike to try the new trick or to perfect your latest one. If you worked this hard at anything else it would be work, and you would hate it! You will spend your last dime to get your bike fixed so you can ride, and you will leave your car broken down if it meant you would miss an event or chance to ride! You pick riding first and anything else a very distant second. You go to work only so you can play!

Stunter is not a skill level...it is a mind set! Let's all stick together!

My 2 pennies...

JAGMAN:jester

a stunter is one that stunts there are all levels of stunting but i think that if u make a effort to learn new tricks and get better u are a stunter

I think yall right about the want and desire thing.... i was on another level on some other shit..... my bad im just passionate about the XSBA after all the shit i put in it this year

NUMBER 1 - "STUNTER" IS A BUZZWORD THAT GETS THROWN AROUND IN OUR COMMUNITY. jUST LIKE GUYS WHO GO OUT AND DRAG RACE ON WEEKENDS R STILL CONSIDERED (BY THEMSELVES AND MANY OTHERS) RACERS, AND THE GUY WHO GOS OUT AND "JUMPS SHIT AND LIGHTS IT ON FIRE" IS A MX FREESTYLER/DIRT RIDER. iT IS A GENRE (I THINK I SPELLED THAT RIGHT AND I THINK ITS THE WORD I WANTED TO USE) OR SECTION/STYLE OF THE MOTORCYCLING COMMUNITY (SORRY JUST REALIZED CAPS LOCK WAS ON). One that goes out and prefers this style/genre of riding is no less a stunter than one who has a video or competes. The difference lies in two areas skill level and the almighty dollar. See we are a family of stunt riders some of us recreational, some of us amateur competeters, and even some have attained that hily grail and are able to do it for there living (the last being PROFESSIONAL STUNT RIDERS) but the one thing that makes us special is that we have come to that crossroad in our sport (the cross all sports like ours make from recreational without acceptance to professional with a shot at acceptance) and seemingly have taken a less travelled path, the one that keeps us more like family than business, the one that has allowed us to respect each other and "stay grounded" for all of our efforts and abilities however great or small. Come on do u think u would ever see a board like this for nascar where dale earnhardt jr. , kyle petty, and jeff gordon open there homes to other stunters professional and non-professional for good times and competition like the starboys/pbr/triple x and many others across the country have done?????????? I never have seen it (although i may be wrong). We as a FAMILY OF STUNTERS all root for each other to succeed and have shown we will be there to help pick up the pieces when others fail, that is somethin we should all be proud of. So yeah i guess i would have to agree "stunter" is an attitude, it is a skill level, and it is a way of life, but most importantly alot of you have also proven time and time again it is a family first. A well balanced family of those just learning, those who are well on their way, and those who have made it as professional stunters, and we definatly cant forget the support crew part of the family- those that shoo/edit the pics and videos, the girlfriends, boyfriends,wives, husbands, and children who act as cooks nurses friends and the occasional 2-up stunter. (yeah i know it was long winded but thats the best way i felt i could answer it)

oh 2nd thing - thomas, after the conversation i had with ronnie the other night about u and a handful of others involved in the xsba - u have every right to defend something u have put alot of effort into - and as a quad stunter(and hopefully one day bike stunter) and a huge fan - keep it up yer giving all of us a chance to show the nay sayers that we are a legitimate sport that takes alot of skill and talent and we are here to stay not just some flash in the pan that can be quietly swept away. For that i personnaly thank u (and all the others sponsoring our events and riders)for ur hard work:D :D

Scott

P.S> - sorry so long guys gimme a break i just got out of the hospital and had alot of pent up energy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good Thread
 

This is the best thread I think I have read. Good input by everyone. No one is upset, thoughtful answers, good insight. What a great thread.
My thought is this if you practice to get better your a stunter. Stunter has a Million subsets, from the rookie all the way up to the likes of Thew. Not to mention the other great ridders that made up his competition.

NUMBER STUNTER WHA.. WHA... WHA... Wha...(Little Wayne said What?)
PS:This was a show on Belle Isle in Detroit,1096,2Extreem,and us.

Personally, stuntin is different for me. You should be well rounded (i am trying). Wheelies, endos, and acrobatics. Most important, attitude. I mean take a group like Triple Xtreme, yeah they do alot of crazy and innovative stuff, but they have an attitude about what they do....just a gangsta attitude. Anyone can crank a 12 and then be a herb about it, but there is a certain style to it.

As for 12's, i don;t think you have to have 12's on lock to be a stunter. I mean what good is a 12 if thats all you can do all day long? Everyone has their specialty, but they should have a ton of shit in their bag.

Myself, i really right now can only stand up wheelie quite a ways and roll some different endos, but i am working on 12's so i can be more diverse. Its not about the guy who pulls the rabbit out of the hat, its all about the guy who says fuck that, watch this, and shoots the rabbit...

Attitude???
 

This the same xXx I know? Cause the guys I meet had ZERO attitude towards me. If you met Kyle you'd know he's the guy that would shoot the Rabbit after wippen his butt with it.

Re: Attitude???
 

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Schwartz [/i]
[B]This the same xXx I know? Cause the guys I meet had ZERO attitude towards me. If you met Kyle you'd know he's the guy that would shoot the Rabbit after wippen his butt with it. [/B][/QUOTE]

schwartz i hope this was not referring to anything i said because if it was then someone mistook my long winded "soap box" speach. Nothing i said in that reply was meant to be negative towards any body. It was all supposed to be showing how positive i viewed all of us as a family!

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DSOG Thomas [/i]
[B]Brian were you even arguing with me?

i dunno i just re read it agin, I dont knwo who u were arguing with

im cuntfused lol [/B][/QUOTE]

Thomas,
hehehe. I wasn't arguing with ya buddy. I was just seeing where you're at and where the XSBA is stands with the new rule book.

I guess I was disappointed with the final decision after Pocono. I saw Chauncey and Chris rip shit up that weekend!! Chauncey's qualifying run in Pocono was the best 3 minutes of stunts I've ever seen (period) and he didn't qualify #1.... that blew me away!!! Not only that, Chris's final run was off the hook!!! The crowd "Boo'd" 3 times at the results!!

Listen, basically I wanted to see why quality of execution isn' taken more into consideration. I know it's not easy to judge these events (and the grass is always greener on the other side). I'm well aware that rules are being developed and changing all the time through experience..... I know.... I've been there since day 1.

Hopefully things work out for everyone. As of right now, things couldn't be better. I love the XSBA and what it brings to the table. I look forward to every event and can't wait until this thing BLOWS UP!!

Thanks Thomas!!

Lata,
Bri

PS. About arguing with you and the blue sky thing? You shouldn't look at these discussions / posts as arguments.... you should look at them as quality constructive criticism. We are the stunters here..... we are the future. Take Care!!

my bad its so long.....
 

True, No doubt.... I appreciate the openess we all have with each other more than you know

its just weird sometimes, like having your business on the street and everyone talking about it in front of your face.

HOPEFULLY, we will get enough qualified people at each event that arent riding who want to judge, like Ronnie did at Daytona

Dont talk about it, be about it....if you think there may be a problem somewhere offer to help fix it (general statement)

and Sclevela, the only reason ronnie talks so nice is because he tried to get in a fight with me over some cow tipping shit once, and i punched his girlfriend in the face

I think the funny thing that people dont understand is that the XSBA isnt some huge conglomerate, its just Ken and I, we are still just something that they give us a small budget to do. I think by years end all of this will change though....all of us have to stay on it, and talk it up to everyone you meet, (restarant managers anyone), yall have to email people like MTV, fox sports, Speedvision, MotoWorld on ESPN, email big motorcycle related companies consistently ..... Everyone email rideicon.com , I have emailed them 2 times, NO RESPONSE!! how they expect to make $ off of stunters when they aint supporting us.... at least alpinestars sees and supports a few teams with gear.

I sit up late nights a lot, just surfing and emailing people, basically saying........ Have you seen "Sportbike Freestyle" Please check out [url]www.xsba.com[/url] for the national Freestyle Sportbike Series
The reason I use the XSBA site is that, if an outsider looks and sees, CCE/ monstertruck links/FMX links/ Daytona speedway and shit like that, they are going to thinks its mainstream and that they are missing out on something

you never know where that email might get you, or the sport, enough emails like that from different addresses and Joe Schmoe CEO is gonna be like Damn, i wanna give them $50k for a points fund! (whats the national champ gonna do when he gets a check for 20k at the end of the year?)


I EXPECT EVERYONE HERE CAN DO THE SAME RIGHT? its the little things that anyone can do that are gonna take us over the top

Next subject-I changed one judging rule, and we see how it raised the bar since road america and beyond Brian I see what your saying about the Quality of execution, and i think it is important and should be discussed... but in my opinion, if execution is exaulted too high, it may discourage new tricks, riders taking risks etc. Chauncey tried the Capt America at Daytona, didnt execute perfectly, but basically it helped more than it hindered. Dan does backwards burnouts, looks shaky for a minute, then gets crazy... to me its not perfect execution but its good for the crowd to see

if you did it 50% of the time perfect and 50% you fell, would you risk trying it in a finals run where you thought it may cost you $1,000 thats why execution and difficulty are hand in hand and carry the same weight, if you try a backwards burnout, do it for 2 seconds and stop then move on, ok u didnt execute perfectly, but im gonna give you an extra point for difficulty

and who the hell can judge perfect execution? flamingo for instance... leg straight out?? leg bent upwards?? who does it how, and which way is the correct way?? there are different styles.

Skill and execution is what the europeans concentrate a lot on, but look at all of thier runs, they dont get you excited, they are slow and calculated, 1 trick per pass, no combos....who should win if they competed in the XSBA? (i dont mean Farias/Rothwell lol, just the european style in general)

personally, I want to see SKILL get you there, and GOING BUCK ASS WILD BREAKING SHIT LIGHTING SHIT ON FIRE MAKING YOU #1 if you do a solid run for 2 minutes, then get fucking crazy and put the crowd on its feet for the last minute.... you deserve to win.... just my opinion

Re: Re: Attitude???
 

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sclevela [/i]
[B]schwartz i hope this was not referring to anything i said because if it was then someone mistook my long winded "soap box" speach. Nothing i said in that reply was meant to be negative towards any body. It was all supposed to be showing how positive i viewed all of us as a family! [/B][/QUOTE]

No dude, not at all about your post. The jay_9 dude was sayen somthing negative bout xXx thats what I was refering to.

I dont think jay meant it negatively, like a bad attitude... but more like they were chillin doin they thing "gangsta" attitude like they dont just 12, they do it with style


but i can see where it would be taken as he is talking shit about XXX

Not to butt in...but this post was totally on the right track. No one was upset or talking sh&%...I agree with Thomas that Jay meant they were doing their thing with attitude! Not bad attitude...cocky and confident...which is all good if your xXx :D I can see it being interpreted differently...but I am sure Jay did not mean it that way, and I do not even know Jay personnally. My 2 pennies.

No harm...I think a little misunderstanding! Great thread! Alot of great input and a good discussion for where we are in this sport. ;)

Thomas...you speak with passion about the XSBA! I have had many conversations over email with Ken as an outsider of the XSBA but a guy who wants to see the sport grow! I respect you and Ken for your consistant and passionate approach to the success of the XSBA! :cheers

Hope to meet you both in person this year! Good luck with all your efforts!

JAGMAN:jester

Thomas, Schwartz said hes waiting for your email addy to send you a video. go ahead and pm him......:D

HAHAHA I just PMed you talking shit!!!



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