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Terrosists go to court and get 34000 - 45000 years. But there's a glitch.... WTF

Old 10-31-2007, 04:28 PM
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Terrosists go to court and get 34000 - 45000 years. But there's a glitch.... WTF

The MASTERMIND gets off scott free with NO sentence. Even after he ADMITTED his involvement.

Not only that, the damn court system in Spain, has NO death penalty, nor can ANYONE spend more than 40YEARS in their jails.

So the guys are likely to get off even earlier with good behavior and space needs.

So basically, if your young you can do whatever the hell you want and murder as much as you feel and your not going to get more than 40 nor will you be put to death.

WTF is up with their system? LIke they sat their and thought up in their political ballrooms saying " Who cares? Let's not even bother trying to deter crime. Its too much paperwork. Just put something down and let's go home"....

I think that Spain is going to be a hotspot for crime after publishing this....







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By DANIEL WOOLLS, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago

MADRID, Spain - Three lead defendants in the 2004 Madrid train bombings were found guilty of mass murder and other charges Wednesday but four other top suspects were convicted on lesser charges and an accused ringleader was completely acquitted.

The verdicts were a partial victory for prosecutors, with 21 of the 28 people on trial convicted on at least some charges. Seven got off entirely, including an Egyptian who prosecutors said had bragged that he masterminded the March 11, 2004 blasts, which killed 191 people and injured more than 1,800.

The three lead suspects convicted of murder and attempted murder each received sentences ranging from 34,000 to 43,000 years in prison, although under Spanish law the most time they can spend in jail is 40 years. Spain has no death penalty or life imprisonment.



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Re: Terrosists go to court and get 34000 - 45000 years. But there's a glitch.... WTF

wow, i need to take a couple peeps i know to spain and just end my misery by endin them
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Re: Terrosists go to court and get 34000 - 45000 years. But there's a glitch.... WTF

The max you can get in Sweden is 15 years. And the only person I heard of getting that is some dudes that executed two police officers at point blank range.

There are few people that get 2 years for murder in Sweden but its commonly 8+ years for murder. And on top of that, the prisons in Sweden are like hotels. They can buy stuff for their cells like TVs and playstations. And their toilet is not in the cell, its in a room with a door.
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Re: Terrosists go to court and get 34000 - 45000 years. But there's a glitch.... WTF

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The max you can get in Sweden is 15 years. And the only person I heard of getting that is some dudes that executed two police officers at point blank range.

There are few people that get 2 years for murder in Sweden but its commonly 8+ years for murder. And on top of that, the prisons in Sweden are like hotels. They can buy stuff for their cells like TVs and playstations. And their toilet is not in the cell, its in a room with a door.
and strange how sweden has one of the lowest crime rates in the world ..how does that work ?
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Originally Posted by old man roger View Post
and strange how sweden has one of the lowest crime rates in the world ..how does that work ?
Guns are not that common over there. And people are very nice compared to over here.
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It beats our boarder patrol guys getting locked up for doing thier job. The justice system sucks nomater were you go I think.
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Re: Terrosists go to court and get 34000 - 45000 years. But there's a glitch.... WTF

Actually I was wrong, now reading in wikipedia it seems that the max is commonly 20-22 years.

Back in the days it used to be 15. Been in America for a while, havnt kept up with Swedish law haha.

Life imprisonment is a sentence of indeterminate length. Swedish law states that the most severe punishment is "prison for ten years or life", and so life imprisonment is in practice never shorter than ten years. However, a prisoner may apply to the government for clemency, in practice having his life sentence commuted to a determined sentence (ie a set number of years) which then follows common Swedish parole regulations. Clemency can also be granted on humanitarian grounds. The number of granted clemencies per year has been low since 1991, usually no more than one or two. Until 1991 few served more than 15 years, but since then the time spent in prison has increased and today (2007) the usual time is at least 20-22 years.
Increased criticism from prison authorities, prisoners and victims led to a revision of practices and in 2006 a new law was passed that also gave a prisoner the right to apply for a determined sentence at the Örebro Lower Court. A prisoner has to serve a minimum of 10 years before applying and the determined sentence can not be under 18 years, the maximum sentence allowed under Swedish law. When granting a determined sentence the court takes into account the crime, the prisoner's behaviour in prison, public safety and the chance of rehabilitation. However, some prisoners may never be released, being considered too dangerous.
The person currently having served for the longest time is Leif Axmyr, who in 1982 killed the minister of commerce's stepson and his fiancée. He has spent almost 25 years in prison. At the time of writing (2007) there are about 160 people, including four women, serving life sentences in Swedish prisons. Most are convicted of murder or conspiracy to commit murder.
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Re: Terrosists go to court and get 34000 - 45000 years. But there's a glitch.... WTF

Originally Posted by bikerboy View Post
The MASTERMIND gets off scott free with NO sentence. Even after he ADMITTED his involvement.

Not only that, the damn court system in Spain, has NO death penalty, nor can ANYONE spend more than 40YEARS in their jails.

So the guys are likely to get off even earlier with good behavior and space needs.

So basically, if your young you can do whatever the hell you want and murder as much as you feel and your not going to get more than 40 nor will you be put to death.

WTF is up with their system? LIke they sat their and thought up in their political ballrooms saying " Who cares? Let's not even bother trying to deter crime. Its too much paperwork. Just put something down and let's go home"....

I think that Spain is going to be a hotspot for crime after publishing this....







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By DANIEL WOOLLS, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago

MADRID, Spain - Three lead defendants in the 2004 Madrid train bombings were found guilty of mass murder and other charges Wednesday but four other top suspects were convicted on lesser charges and an accused ringleader was completely acquitted.

The verdicts were a partial victory for prosecutors, with 21 of the 28 people on trial convicted on at least some charges. Seven got off entirely, including an Egyptian who prosecutors said had bragged that he masterminded the March 11, 2004 blasts, which killed 191 people and injured more than 1,800.

The three lead suspects convicted of murder and attempted murder each received sentences ranging from 34,000 to 43,000 years in prison, although under Spanish law the most time they can spend in jail is 40 years. Spain has no death penalty or life imprisonment.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071031/...n_terror_trial
our system is different than yours. We do believe in the subject's rehabilition and thats the reason why we dont have death penalty or life imprisonment, like many other countries. The Egyptian wasnt the mastermind cos theres no evidences enough to punish him for that, and thats how law world works here in Spain and in the US. No proves no guilty. Sometimes you just know he made it even when theres no proves, but thats not this case. And from what i know the egyptian did never admitt he masterminded the attack.

about the rest.. just sayin youre wrong (not in a wrong way ) we have been working wihtout D.P and L.I. for many years and life here is very secure. It depends on where you live or where you go (like any american city/state) but its actually a secure place to live. No guns mean safety, thats what you can extract by living the day by day and so thats how we see it. And remember you guys that the 40 years limit doesnt mean your absolutely free when the time has passed. Theres always clauses and conditions, most of them limiting the subject's liberty or life.

ps: im against the death penalty with all my soul but i gotta agree the life imprisonment should be used here in some specific affairs..
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there is no rehabilition for some people ........

some people should die.......
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euro-trash and their silly shinanigans... its not the terrorists that cause harm to society, its those damn liberal democrat 'Mericans
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Re: Terrosists go to court and get 34000 - 45000 years. But there's a glitch.... WTF

Originally Posted by GeRi_GSXR View Post
And from what i know the egyptian did never admitt he masterminded the attack...


EASY. Read the story.... They even have him on video. In the USA, if you are suspected to a crime, not even NEAR the magnitude of this. we are talking about stealing a candy bar from a store. If you are suspected and you "admit" to the system that you were apart of it, youre going to be CHARGED with that crime. This guy BRAGGED and they still let him go...


The story again man....


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By DANIEL WOOLLS, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago

MADRID, Spain -


...................and an accused ringleader was completely acquitted.

Seven got off entirely, including an Egyptian who prosecutors said had bragged that he masterminded the March 11, 2004 blasts, which killed 191 people and injured more than 1,800.
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http://www.larioja.com/20071101/espa...-20071101.html

Ninguno de los tres acusados de ser autores intelectuales del 11-M ideó los atentados. El tribunal desbarató este miércoles todos los ****ósticos al no condenar a ninguno de los procesados como autores intelectuales de la masacre de los cercanías. Rabei Osman 'El Egipcio' fue absuelto ya que fue condenado en Italia por pertenencia a grupo terrorista y no puede ser penado dos veces por un mismo delito. Los magistrados tampoco han considerado probado que Hassan el Haski y Youssef Belhadj promovieran los atentados, con lo que sólo les han condenado, respectivamente, como dirigente e integrante de la organización yihadista.

Los magistrados no han dado credibilidad finalmente a la prueba clave contra El Egipcio: una grabación ambiental efectuada por la Policía italiana en la que sostenía que «el hilo de lo de Madrid fue mío, era mi proyecto más querido». El interprete italiano que las tradujo reconoció en la sala que trabajó sobre las trascripciones. Los magistrados han tenido muy en cuenta que los traductores españoles -dos de la Policía, uno de la Audiencia y dos aportados por la defensa- coincidieron en la «inexistencia» de la frase clave.

El tribunal tampoco considera probado que Rabei Osman viajara a España a preparar los atentados ni que abriera un correo electrónico con la fecha del 11 de marzo para comunicar a la célula la fecha elegida para la masacre. La sentencia deja bien claro que «no hay duda» de que El Egipcio es un terrorista islamista y tenía relación con varios condenados, pero también precisa que los «escasos datos» que le vinculan con el 11-M son «ambiguos y equívocos» para condenarlo como ideólogo. «A los sumo, acredita que tenía información general sobra la posible producción de los atentados, no que los ordenara, coordinara o dirigiera», sostiene. El 8 de junio del 2004 El Egipcio fue detenido en Italia, a raíz de unas grabaciones que permitieron su condena por reclutar adeptos para enviarlos como combatientes a Irak.


It basically sais that theres no evidences to prove he masterminded the terrorist attack. The only prove was an italian recording toke by the italian police, but the spanish translators say its not enough cos theres no specific or direct sentence saying he plotted it all. In law terms its necessary to have one of those. The spanish court sais that he had some general information about a posible attack production, but theres no way to prove he ordenated, coordianted or masterminded it. The court doesnt recognize him as the mastermind of the terrorist attack, but he sais hes a yihad terrorist and he should be condemned for that. The key of the case is that he was already condemned for terrorism in Italy, so theres no way you could condemn the same person for the same crime 2 times (here in Europe, dont know about the US). Thats why the egipcian got off with no charges.
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Re: Terrosists go to court and get 34000 - 45000 years. But there's a glitch.... WTF

Im a fan of Capital Punishment
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Bla bla bla. worry about it in 40 years then when and IF they are released.

I have enough to worry about right now.
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Re: Terrosists go to court and get 34000 - 45000 years. But there's a glitch.... WTF

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Bla bla bla. worry about it in 40 years then when and IF they are released.

I have enough to worry about right now.
You have to be joking, right? Like you actually couldn't be serious. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and think you were joking to say that "IF", and "if" is in caps no less, like they can't and would be outrageous that they'd be let out in that amount of time.

Dude, its their fukking law and been like that for a while. They WILL be out if they don't die of old age or behave well.
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