This is why citizens complain about the US

636squid · 06-16-2009, 08:07 PM

This is why people bitch about our country, it strikes me funny that when people point out the bad in this country there are always people who say that you should move or that you're a communist, socialist, whatever. The fact that we have more people incarcerated than any other country in the world, horrible health care, and now this, soldiers getting AIDS and other diseases from shitty hospitals that are supposed to be just for them. I know, if I don't like it go to another country FUCK THAT!!!!!!! I think that the supposedly richest country in the world should be able to take care of the less fortunate with health care and not be putting every Tom, Dick, and Harry in prison for non-violent drug offenses while letting ceo's squander away peoples life savings and getting a slap on the wrist. I love this country but think that there are definate things that could be done to make it even better. This isn't a political thread just a rant on a story about the soldiers that I saw that pissed me off and made me wonder how come if you say something people try to say you hate your country. Oh adn 50outlaw don't start bitching about Obama this isn't his fault and isn't about any of the presidents.

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636squid · 06-16-2009, 08:09 PM

CBS/AP) Lawmakers sharply criticized the Department of Veterans Affairs on Tuesday about why a national scare over botched colonoscopies earlier this year didn't prompt stronger safeguards at the agency's medical centers.

Agency officials apologized for the continued weaknesses and told a House subcommittee that they would do better. VA Secretary Eric Shinseki said he was taking disciplinary action.

The strong reaction came as the agency's inspector general reported that fewer than half of VA facilities selected for surprise inspections last month had proper training and guidelines in place. That was months after the VA launched a nationwide safety campaign over the discovery of errors at facilities in Georgia, Florida and Tennessee that could have exposed veterans to HIV and other infections.

John Daigh, VA's assistant inspector general who led the review, said the findings "troubled me greatly."

"We think there are systemic issues," Daigh said.

Lawmakers expressed disbelief that medical centers didn't immediately tighten procedures after the safety alert.

"You certainly would think that after the initial discoveries and the directive from the VA that medical directors would make sure that all of their equipment and procedures were brought into line and yet this investigation shows that many, many did not," said House Veterans Affairs Committee Chairman Bob Filner, D-Calif., who praised the VA for being transparent about the mistakes. "There will be a public accounting of this situation."

Army veteran Thomas Mayo got a colonoscopy after the VA insisted on it - only to learn it may have left him with a chronic disease.

"I'm really disappointed in them," Mayo Told CBS News correspondent Nancy Cordes.

"Now I have to take the chance of losing my husband to this disease. And I don't want to lose my husband," said Mayo's wife Sandra.

In February, the VA began warning about 10,000 former patients in Georgia, Tennessee and Florida - some who had colonoscopies and other endoscopic procedures as far back as 2003 - that they may have been exposed to infections. They were advised to get blood tests for HIV and hepatitis.

The agency says that six veterans who took the follow-up blood checks tested positive for HIV, 34 tested positive for hepatitis C and 13 tested positive for hepatitis B. But there is no way to prove whether the infections came from VA procedures, and some experts say most or all of the infections probably already existed. The VA says the chance of infection was remote.

The VA has said - through self-reporting from all of its facilities - that such errors were limited to the centers in Murfreesboro, Tenn., Augusta, Ga., and Miami. But the inspector general report suggests problems could be more widespread because hospitals are using different equipment with varying degrees of training and standardized cleaning procedures.

CBS News medical correspondent Jonathan LaPook has performed thousands of colonoscopies.

"What stops contaminated fluids from backing up into this tube is this crucial green valve," he said, illustrating with a colonoscopy tube. "Investigators found not only was this valve missing, but this tubing wasn't being cleaned in between patients."

In surprise inspections at 42 VA medical centers on May 13 and 14, investigators found that only 43 percent had standard operating procedures in place and could show they properly trained their staffs for using their equipment.

VA officials struggled to explain the findings and said it would overhaul its procedures for colonoscopies and other common endoscopic procedures.

After the hearing, Shinseki issued a statement calling it "unacceptable that any of our veterans may have been exposed to harm as a result of an endoscopic procedure."

Along with disciplinary measures, he said he would require each medical center director to verify in writing that they are complying with agency guidelines.

The VA says the problems were caused by human error in the cleaning and operation of endoscopic equipment.

At the Murfreesboro facility, for example, officials believe medical staff mistakenly used a two-way valve that may have allowed bodily fluids to enter a part of the scope that was believed to be sterile.

Several top VA officials with experience at private hospitals said similar discoveries in the private sector would not have been publicized without specific knowledge that a patient was harmed.

Daigh said his investigators tried unsuccessfully to get information about potential problems at private hospitals, and several lawmakers said they think the problem probably extends beyond the VA.

"If this is happening in VA, what is happening ... in our greater health system?" asked Rep. Steve Buyer of Indiana, the top Republican on the committee. "My sense is that there are some greater problems out there."

636squid · 06-16-2009, 08:10 PM

Prison Population in the greatest country!!!!!

According to the International Centre for Prison Studies at King's College London, the U.S. currently has the largest documented prison population in the world, both in absolute and proportional terms. We've got roughly 2.03 million people behind bars, or 701 per 100,000 population. China has the second-largest number of prisoners (1.51 million, for a rate of 117 per 100,000), and Russia has the second-highest rate (606 per 100,000, for a total of 865,000). Russia had the highest rate for years, but has released hundreds of thousands of prisoners since 1998; meanwhile the U.S. prison population has grown by even more. Rounding out the top ten, with rates from 554 to 437, are Belarus, Bermuda (UK), Kazakhstan, the Virgin Islands (U.S.), the Cayman Islands (UK), Turkmenistan, Belize, and Suriname, which you'll have to agree puts America in interesting company. South Africa, a longtime star performer on the list, has dropped to 15th place (402) since the dismantling of apartheid.

636squid · 06-16-2009, 08:13 PM

This analysis was updated on August 26, 2008 to reflect 2007 Census Data. View the new analysis
Data released today by the Census Bureau show that the number of uninsured Americans stood at a record 46.6 million in 2005, with 15.9 percent of Americans lacking health coverage. “The number of uninsured Americans reached an all-time high in 2005,” said Robert Greenstein, executive director of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. “It is sobering that 5.4 million more people lacked health insurance in 2005 than in the recession year of 2001, primarily because of the erosion of employer-based insurance.”
Census data show that 46.6 million Americans were uninsured in 2005, an increase of 1.3 million from the number of uninsured in 2004 (45.3 million). The percentage who are uninsured rose from 15.6 percent in 2004 to 15.9 percent in 2005. The number of children who are uninsured rose from 7.9 million in 2004 to 8.3 million in 2005.

sik954rr · 06-16-2009, 08:13 PM

Amen!

636squid · 06-16-2009, 08:14 PM

The above reasons are why people have a reason to complain, it doesn't mean they hate are country.

RROCCO · 06-16-2009, 10:04 PM

people have a veil pulled over thier eyes. we are just good little consumer worker bees blinded by the news and advertising. the whole system is so screwed up but its impossible to convince someone whos been dumbed down and brainwashed to believe that money is the only thing that matters of the truth. the highest paying professions are in the medical, advertising, sales, law and taxs. its like the only way to get ahead in this world is to feed into whole scheme. i still cant believe how people dont see the painfully obvious. you can spell it out for them and they just think youre a crazy conspiracy theorist. its not about conspiracies. its about the fact that we are being dumbed down and blinded by this illusion of what life is supposed to be. they dont want free thinkers. ironicly most free thinkers are shunned (perse) by thier peers if they actually try to point things out to them. they dont want to know the truth cuz that would mean they are living a lie so to speak.

sorry for the scatterbrained semi off topic rant.

zookiezook · 06-17-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 636squid

This is why people bitch about our country, it strikes me funny that when people point out the bad in this country there are always people who say that you should move or that you're a communist, socialist, whatever. The fact that we have more people incarcerated than any other country in the world, horrible health care, and now this, soldiers getting AIDS and other diseases from shitty hospitals that are supposed to be just for them. I know, if I don't like it go to another country FUCK THAT!!!!!!! I think that the supposedly richest country in the world should be able to take care of the less fortunate with health care and not be putting every Tom, Dick, and Harry in prison for non-violent drug offenses while letting ceo's squander away peoples life savings and getting a slap on the wrist. I love this country but think that there are definate things that could be done to make it even better. This isn't a political thread just a rant on a story about the soldiers that I saw that pissed me off and made me wonder how come if you say something people try to say you hate your country. Oh adn 50outlaw don't start bitching about Obama this isn't his fault and isn't about any of the presidents.

and i agree with RROCCO

i have nuthin against helping other countries and shyt but i think we should help ourselves first, y the FUCK are we helping other countries when we have a rediculous homeless and unemployment rate.. the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and it all pretty much boils down to $

weeeezzll · 10-26-2009, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by zookiezook

and i agree with RROCCO

i have nuthin against helping other countries and shyt but i think we should help ourselves first, y the FUCK are we helping other countries when we have a rediculous homeless and unemployment rate.. the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and it all pretty much boils down to $

*cues up "We Are The Wolrd music*

Sometime to help yourself you have to help others. Like it or not the well being of each and every country on this planet is tied to every other one. We can no longer turn our head to the problems of others because they live on the other side of an imaginary line. It's about time that we stop thinking of each others in terms of our country of residence. We are all human beings and taking care of our own should mean each and every other human on this planet.

RROCCO · 10-26-2009, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by weeeezzll

*cues up "We Are The Wolrd music*

Sometime to help yourself you have to help others. Like it or not the well being of each and every country on this planet is tied to every other one. We can no longer turn our head to the problems of others because they live on the other side of an imaginary line. It's about time that we stop thinking of each others in terms of our country of residence. We are all human beings and taking care of our own should mean each and every other human on this planet.

solely commenting on what you said, yes, everyone needs food and shelter. but who would/should you give that help to? your sister? your next door neighbor? the bum on the street you pass every day? someone on the other side of the planet? we need to start taking care of our own american people without the judgement "well they have every opportunity that i did so they are just scumbag losers mooching off the system instead of helping themselves." this self righteous attittude against our own needs to stop. if we can get our people on thier feet then they will work and spread more money into our economy so we are more able to help those far away without having a negitive impact on our society. we spend billions in aid to other countries when we should be investing that into our deteriorating people, country, and infrastructure. we spend billions defending or invading other countries to create stability in the region when we are falling apart. can you change what is though?

BoDuke01 · 10-26-2009, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by weeeezzll

*cues up "We Are The Wolrd music*

Sometime to help yourself you have to help others. Like it or not the well being of each and every country on this planet is tied to every other one. We can no longer turn our head to the problems of others because they live on the other side of an imaginary line. It's about time that we stop thinking of each others in terms of our country of residence. We are all human beings and taking care of our own should mean each and every other human on this planet.

Hey jack ass the US has been doing that since bf ur daddy was in diapers. U kno the imperialist country that surprise attacked our navy in 1941. The one that we nuked and conquered in WWII then rebuilt instead of kept as US territory.

Thats just one small example. Not going into our immigrant assistance programs or all the humanitarian aid either but anyway u r wrong and very ignorant on this point. Educate urself and b sure u have a valid point bf u spout off stupid shit.

BTW we arent the richest country on the planet. We do have the highest GDP per capita bc we work our asses off and use our money to try to make the world a better place and help the less fortunate as well as those who are prolly better off than most of us just because we can. That is the American way.

And we dont have shitty health care either. Why do people from all over the world (not just this continent) come here to get medical treatment? They also come here to work in our medical field too.

Dont dig up anymore old threads

dizzie56 · 10-26-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 636squid

The fact that we have more people incarcerated than any other country in the world, horrible health care, and now this, soldiers getting AIDS and other diseases from shitty hospitals that are supposed to be just for them.

Exactly the reason why I dont want government run health care. The VA's are overloaded with people. They should be getting the best health care in the world, but they arent because of the bureauracy. Does anybody really think that adding more bureaucracy to a system that is allready way to highly bureaucratic is going to lessen the bureaucracy in the system it self? It wont, its just gonna make it worse. If the government cant take care of its own soldiers who fought and died for the country, do you think that they are gonna treat everyday citizens like myself any better? Maybe, and i stress maybe, if they could actually take care of the soldiers like they promised first, id then think about joining in the gov health care. But that cant even take care of a small amount of the population, what do you think is going to happen when they make it mandatory for everybody in the US?

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Originally Posted by 636squid

and not be putting every Tom, Dick, and Harry in prison for non-violent drug offenses while letting ceo's squander away peoples life savings and getting a slap on the wrist. I love this country but think that there are definate things that could be done to make it even better. This isn't a political thread just a rant on a story about the soldiers that I saw that pissed me off and made me wonder how come if you say something people try to say you hate your country. Oh adn 50outlaw don't start bitching about Obama this isn't his fault and isn't about any of the presidents.

I agree with not putting everybody away for non-violent drug offenses. They should just legalize pot and get it over with imho. But the other drugs, keep em illegal. Ive never known somebody to become a well rounded person if they are using coke, heroin, pills, X, or whatever. That shit just leads to a whole lotta problems.

Here is an example of what is going on in washington right now.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009...cial.html?_r=1

Dude worked for goldman sachs, got the bailout money (cause they ran the company into the ground) and is now in the SEC as the chief opperating officer? WTF? Obama is just like all the other presidents, he promises "change" around election time and ends up doing the same old thing, lookin out for the bigger ($$$) people in the country.

I_RiD3_f4I · 10-26-2009, 04:31 PM

see i really dont understand why ppl say we have shitty health care. is it because in canada health care is free? ok i can understand that. but in canada if u develope ANY kind of illness; cancer, blood related, organs, be prepared to sit around and wait for an additional 6 months to 6 years before they even begin giving treatments. here, if you have cancer, you get treated for cancer immediatly, if you have good health insurance of course

BoDuke01 · 10-27-2009, 02:54 AM

Look at any of Obamas financial czars and just look around his cabinet. Long story short, the embezzlers that ran our economy into the ground are his top advisers. These are the people that are supposed to fix the mess they made? Na these are the people who are the best of the best at stealing, lying, and covering their tracks. Not to mention all the other shady folks hes appointed as czars, ('ex' black panthers, etc) What does that say about the man who put them there? Hes really got sum trash working in the white house.
The health care or "obamacare" is really just mandatory health insurance, not even government run just government funded. The legislation itself is as complicated as our tax code. If u control the cash flow of a business, u control that business. Thats why we call it socialist medicine.

*Tanus* · 10-27-2009, 04:01 AM

paradoxically, some of the best things about this country are also some of the worst.

BoDuke01 · 10-28-2009, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by *Tanus*

paradoxically, some of the best things about this country are also some of the worst.

Of course. That comes with freedom of choice. We will never b perfect. Never were. Its the yen and yang of it. If u will.

D-Jones · 10-29-2009, 01:54 PM

Look up the song "cant make it here" its an awsome song. just terrible because its all true.

!!A2K!! · 10-29-2009, 02:14 PM

most of the reason there are a bunch of jail birds is becuase they are dumbasses and rob and kill for money

instead of spending millions of dollars on a lethal injection or have them pampered and served food on deathrow for years....just take em out back and shoot em....the bullet costs 32 cents

davidz28guy · 10-29-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by !!A2K!!

most of the reason there are a bunch of jail birds is becuase they are dumbasses and rob and kill for money

instead of spending millions of dollars on a lethal injection or have them pampered and served food on deathrow for years....just take em out back and shoot em....the bullet costs 32 cents

wrong, the majority of people in jail arent there for killing and robbing people

$$$$DINO$$$$ · 10-29-2009, 03:34 PM

I read your first post and found 3 things i don't agree with,and i think are false..first this is not the richest country in the world, 2nd They do let out less violent criminals usually that use drugs, to make room for more serious criminals..and 3rd Soldiers getting aids from hospitals? i don't know about that one, lots of people have aids hard for me to believe they all get them from a hospital it self.... So at the end your just another person complaining...THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PROBLEMS,ALL THE TIME, EVERYWHERE..THERE'S NO GOOD WITHOUT BAD...

06-16-2009, 08:09 PM	#2
636squid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Louisville, KY Bike: 04 636 pooper Gender: Male Posts: 669	Re: This is why citizens complain about the US CBS/AP) Lawmakers sharply criticized the Department of Veterans Affairs on Tuesday about why a national scare over botched colonoscopies earlier this year didn't prompt stronger safeguards at the agency's medical centers. Agency officials apologized for the continued weaknesses and told a House subcommittee that they would do better. VA Secretary Eric Shinseki said he was taking disciplinary action. The strong reaction came as the agency's inspector general reported that fewer than half of VA facilities selected for surprise inspections last month had proper training and guidelines in place. That was months after the VA launched a nationwide safety campaign over the discovery of errors at facilities in Georgia, Florida and Tennessee that could have exposed veterans to HIV and other infections. John Daigh, VA's assistant inspector general who led the review, said the findings "troubled me greatly." "We think there are systemic issues," Daigh said. Lawmakers expressed disbelief that medical centers didn't immediately tighten procedures after the safety alert. "You certainly would think that after the initial discoveries and the directive from the VA that medical directors would make sure that all of their equipment and procedures were brought into line and yet this investigation shows that many, many did not," said House Veterans Affairs Committee Chairman Bob Filner, D-Calif., who praised the VA for being transparent about the mistakes. "There will be a public accounting of this situation." Army veteran Thomas Mayo got a colonoscopy after the VA insisted on it - only to learn it may have left him with a chronic disease. "I'm really disappointed in them," Mayo Told CBS News correspondent Nancy Cordes. "Now I have to take the chance of losing my husband to this disease. And I don't want to lose my husband," said Mayo's wife Sandra. In February, the VA began warning about 10,000 former patients in Georgia, Tennessee and Florida - some who had colonoscopies and other endoscopic procedures as far back as 2003 - that they may have been exposed to infections. They were advised to get blood tests for HIV and hepatitis. The agency says that six veterans who took the follow-up blood checks tested positive for HIV, 34 tested positive for hepatitis C and 13 tested positive for hepatitis B. But there is no way to prove whether the infections came from VA procedures, and some experts say most or all of the infections probably already existed. The VA says the chance of infection was remote. The VA has said - through self-reporting from all of its facilities - that such errors were limited to the centers in Murfreesboro, Tenn., Augusta, Ga., and Miami. But the inspector general report suggests problems could be more widespread because hospitals are using different equipment with varying degrees of training and standardized cleaning procedures. CBS News medical correspondent Jonathan LaPook has performed thousands of colonoscopies. "What stops contaminated fluids from backing up into this tube is this crucial green valve," he said, illustrating with a colonoscopy tube. "Investigators found not only was this valve missing, but this tubing wasn't being cleaned in between patients." In surprise inspections at 42 VA medical centers on May 13 and 14, investigators found that only 43 percent had standard operating procedures in place and could show they properly trained their staffs for using their equipment. VA officials struggled to explain the findings and said it would overhaul its procedures for colonoscopies and other common endoscopic procedures. After the hearing, Shinseki issued a statement calling it "unacceptable that any of our veterans may have been exposed to harm as a result of an endoscopic procedure." Along with disciplinary measures, he said he would require each medical center director to verify in writing that they are complying with agency guidelines. The VA says the problems were caused by human error in the cleaning and operation of endoscopic equipment. At the Murfreesboro facility, for example, officials believe medical staff mistakenly used a two-way valve that may have allowed bodily fluids to enter a part of the scope that was believed to be sterile. Several top VA officials with experience at private hospitals said similar discoveries in the private sector would not have been publicized without specific knowledge that a patient was harmed. Daigh said his investigators tried unsuccessfully to get information about potential problems at private hospitals, and several lawmakers said they think the problem probably extends beyond the VA. "If this is happening in VA, what is happening ... in our greater health system?" asked Rep. Steve Buyer of Indiana, the top Republican on the committee. "My sense is that there are some greater problems out there."

06-16-2009, 08:10 PM	#3
636squid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Louisville, KY Bike: 04 636 pooper Gender: Male Posts: 669	Re: This is why citizens complain about the US Prison Population in the greatest country!!!!! According to the International Centre for Prison Studies at King's College London, the U.S. currently has the largest documented prison population in the world, both in absolute and proportional terms. We've got roughly 2.03 million people behind bars, or 701 per 100,000 population. China has the second-largest number of prisoners (1.51 million, for a rate of 117 per 100,000), and Russia has the second-highest rate (606 per 100,000, for a total of 865,000). Russia had the highest rate for years, but has released hundreds of thousands of prisoners since 1998; meanwhile the U.S. prison population has grown by even more. Rounding out the top ten, with rates from 554 to 437, are Belarus, Bermuda (UK), Kazakhstan, the Virgin Islands (U.S.), the Cayman Islands (UK), Turkmenistan, Belize, and Suriname, which you'll have to agree puts America in interesting company. South Africa, a longtime star performer on the list, has dropped to 15th place (402) since the dismantling of apartheid.

06-16-2009, 08:13 PM	#4
636squid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Louisville, KY Bike: 04 636 pooper Gender: Male Posts: 669	Re: This is why citizens complain about the US This analysis was updated on August 26, 2008 to reflect 2007 Census Data. View the new analysis Data released today by the Census Bureau show that the number of uninsured Americans stood at a record 46.6 million in 2005, with 15.9 percent of Americans lacking health coverage. “The number of uninsured Americans reached an all-time high in 2005,” said Robert Greenstein, executive director of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. “It is sobering that 5.4 million more people lacked health insurance in 2005 than in the recession year of 2001, primarily because of the erosion of employer-based insurance.” Census data show that 46.6 million Americans were uninsured in 2005, an increase of 1.3 million from the number of uninsured in 2004 (45.3 million). The percentage who are uninsured rose from 15.6 percent in 2004 to 15.9 percent in 2005. The number of children who are uninsured rose from 7.9 million in 2004 to 8.3 million in 2005.

06-16-2009, 08:13 PM	#5
sik954rr Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sioux City, IA Bike: F4i Gender: Male Posts: 727	Re: This is why citizens complain about the US Amen!

06-16-2009, 08:14 PM	#6
636squid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Louisville, KY Bike: 04 636 pooper Gender: Male Posts: 669	Re: This is why citizens complain about the US The above reasons are why people have a reason to complain, it doesn't mean they hate are country.

06-16-2009, 10:04 PM	#7
RROCCO takingitbacktotheoldskool Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: CLRH2O Age: 32 Bike: old 125 now used for tractor parts Gender: Male Posts: 1,404	Re: This is why citizens complain about the US people have a veil pulled over thier eyes. we are just good little consumer worker bees blinded by the news and advertising. the whole system is so screwed up but its impossible to convince someone whos been dumbed down and brainwashed to believe that money is the only thing that matters of the truth. the highest paying professions are in the medical, advertising, sales, law and taxs. its like the only way to get ahead in this world is to feed into whole scheme. i still cant believe how people dont see the painfully obvious. you can spell it out for them and they just think youre a crazy conspiracy theorist. its not about conspiracies. its about the fact that we are being dumbed down and blinded by this illusion of what life is supposed to be. they dont want free thinkers. ironicly most free thinkers are shunned (perse) by thier peers if they actually try to point things out to them. they dont want to know the truth cuz that would mean they are living a lie so to speak. sorry for the scatterbrained semi off topic rant.

10-26-2009, 04:31 PM	#13
I_RiD3_f4I Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Lower (518) Bike: 03 F4i Gender: Male Posts: 188	Re: This is why citizens complain about the US see i really dont understand why ppl say we have shitty health care. is it because in canada health care is free? ok i can understand that. but in canada if u develope ANY kind of illness; cancer, blood related, organs, be prepared to sit around and wait for an additional 6 months to 6 years before they even begin giving treatments. here, if you have cancer, you get treated for cancer immediatly, if you have good health insurance of course

10-27-2009, 02:54 AM	#14
BoDuke01 DONT READ THIS! Dammit! Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Midland Texas (fryin pan TX) Bike: 01 sixxer stunter, 02 sixxer stuntfighter, 78 yamicrap 100 cafe racer Gender: Male Posts: 464	Re: This is why citizens complain about the US Look at any of Obamas financial czars and just look around his cabinet. Long story short, the embezzlers that ran our economy into the ground are his top advisers. These are the people that are supposed to fix the mess they made? Na these are the people who are the best of the best at stealing, lying, and covering their tracks. Not to mention all the other shady folks hes appointed as czars, ('ex' black panthers, etc) What does that say about the man who put them there? Hes really got sum trash working in the white house. The health care or "obamacare" is really just mandatory health insurance, not even government run just government funded. The legislation itself is as complicated as our tax code. If u control the cash flow of a business, u control that business. Thats why we call it socialist medicine. __________________ Streetfighters arent about style, they arent about looking cool. They are purpose built to scare the shit outta normal people. Ride hard, wreck it, weld it back on, and keep killin it.

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!!A2K!! The Reverend Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lafayette,IN Age: 20 Bike: Sharkskinz covered 05 r6 Gender: Male Posts: 910	Re: This is why citizens complain about the US most of the reason there are a bunch of jail birds is becuase they are dumbasses and rob and kill for money instead of spending millions of dollars on a lethal injection or have them pampered and served food on deathrow for years....just take em out back and shoot em....the bullet costs 32 cents __________________ sharkskinz.com redlinemotorsports.biz vortex braking.com

10-29-2009, 03:34 PM	#20
$$$$DINO$$$$ Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 17013,PA,us Age: 19 Bike: 954 Gender: Male Posts: 3,018	Re: This is why citizens complain about the US I read your first post and found 3 things i don't agree with,and i think are false..first this is not the richest country in the world, 2nd They do let out less violent criminals usually that use drugs, to make room for more serious criminals..and 3rd Soldiers getting aids from hospitals? i don't know about that one, lots of people have aids hard for me to believe they all get them from a hospital it self.... So at the end your just another person complaining...THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PROBLEMS,ALL THE TIME, EVERYWHERE..THERE'S NO GOOD WITHOUT BAD...