do NOT buy from "jmansr6" or "jman"!!!!!!!!

[TWITCH101]

Originally Posted by stick1300 Well, if jman had drained all the oil like he should have and made sure it was plugged, UPS wouldn't have had to clean up his mess, potentially ruining the motor. Also, jman didn't even send all the stuff Loogie paid for.... The fact that it was or wasn't plugged is not my point of discussion. My point was that UPS can "fuck up a wet dream" on any given day.(Those delivery drivers are human just like we are) Plus...you saw how mangled that motor was, there is no telling what happened to it.We all know damn well that UPS would not accept that thing in that shape. For all we know that ECU could be sitting in the back corner of a freight truck right now. Even if the oil was drained and sealed properly there is always the possibility(and a good one at that) that the truck driver/fork-lift driver/ or even a customer of UPS could have damaged it. There is so much that could have gone wrong from point A to point B that calling this the sellers fault is rediculous. Especially when there is no proof that he shipped it in that condition, but no proof that he didn't ship it in that condition as well. Innocent until proven otherwise. It's a bad deal for both sides. Either way someone has to pay for this catastrophe. And I feel bad that it is has come at loogie's expense.

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[TWITCH101]

Originally Posted by old man roger

im with you on this ...

thanks man.

[Towlieee]

Originally Posted by mitc31089

The fact that it was or wasn't plugged is not my point of discussion. My point was that UPS can "fuck up a wet dream" on any given day.(Those delivery drivers are human just like we are) Plus...you saw how mangled that motor was, there is no telling what happened to it.We all know damn well that UPS would not accept that thing in that shape. For all we know that ECU could be sitting in the back corner of a freight truck right now. Even if the oil was drained and sealed properly there is always the possibility(and a good one at that) that the truck driver/fork-lift driver/ or even a customer of UPS could have damaged it. There is so much that could have gone wrong from point A to point B that calling this the sellers fault is rediculous. Especially when there is no proof that he shipped it in that condition, but no proof that he didn't ship it in that condition as well.
Innocent until proven otherwise.

It's a bad deal for both sides. Either way someone has to pay for this catastrophe. And I feel bad that it is has come at loogie's expense.

Yes, ups throws shit around, drops it, rolls it... Thats why you pack it GOOD!

If the motor was packed properly, it would have been able to hold up to falling off a truck, being rolled around warehouses. But the fact is it wasen't packed 'properly' it was packed just good enough to 'get by' if nothing went wrong.

Simply by not draining the oil you can tell it wasn't packet good enough. And if he really expected packing peanuts and 2 ratchet straps across the top of a tupper ware to hold it, then you gotta expect it to arrive in this condition.

Sure you can put blame on the shipping company, but that doesn't make up for the fact the seller who supposedly does this all the time, shipped the thing half ass as fuck.

Hell I made a wood crate for a 5hp briggs and stratton motor, I would have put a little more effort into shipping a sport bike motor then he did



edit: AGAIN not 100% blaming the seller. But also you can't put all the blame on UPS.
Welcome to the shipping world. IF you don't think your package can handle a drop from 3 foot in the air, or being loaded by some 18 year old making $9/hr, then pack it better!
My friend used to be a UPS driver ,he said when he was in a rush loading his truck, he would literally THROW packages into the truck, then get into the back of the truck to stack them up...
IF he could physically lift it and throw it, that's what he did.

[Dick Loogie Stunts]

Originally Posted by Towlieee

Yes, ups throws shit around, drops it, rolls it... Thats why you pack it GOOD!

If the motor was packed properly, it would have been able to hold up to falling off a truck, being rolled around warehouses. But the fact is it wasen't packed 'properly' it was packed just good enough to 'get by' if nothing went wrong.

Simply by not draining the oil you can tell it wasn't packet good enough. And if he really expected packing peanuts and 2 ratchet straps across the top of a tupper ware to hold it, then you gotta expect it to arrive in this condition.

Sure you can put blame on the shipping company, but that doesn't make up for the fact the seller who supposedly does this all the time, shipped the thing half ass as fuck.

Hell I made a wood crate for a 5hp briggs and stratton motor, I would have put a little more effort into shipping a sport bike motor then he did



edit: AGAIN not 100% blaming the seller. But also you can't put all the blame on UPS.
Welcome to the shipping world. IF you don't think your package can handle a drop from 3 foot in the air, or being loaded by some 18 year old making $9/hr, then pack it better!
My friend used to be a UPS driver ,he said when he was in a rush loading his truck, he would literally THROW packages into the truck, then get into the back of the truck to stack them up...
IF he could physically lift it and throw it, that's what he did.

well said and my point EXACTLYya UPS fucked up,ya jman fucked up,and ya IM pretty much FUCKED

[TWITCH101]

Originally Posted by Towlieee

Yes, ups throws shit around, drops it, rolls it... Thats why you pack it GOOD!

If the motor was packed properly, it would have been able to hold up to falling off a truck, being rolled around warehouses. But the fact is it wasen't packed 'properly' it was packed just good enough to 'get by' if nothing went wrong.

Simply by not draining the oil you can tell it wasn't packet good enough. And if he really expected packing peanuts and 2 ratchet straps across the top of a tupper ware to hold it, then you gotta expect it to arrive in this condition.

Sure you can put blame on the shipping company, but that doesn't make up for the fact the seller who supposedly does this all the time, shipped the thing half ass as fuck.

Hell I made a wood crate for a 5hp briggs and stratton motor, I would have put a little more effort into shipping a sport bike motor then he did



edit: AGAIN not 100% blaming the seller. But also you can't put all the blame on UPS.
Welcome to the shipping world. IF you don't think your package can handle a drop from 3 foot in the air, or being loaded by some 18 year old making $9/hr, then pack it better!
My friend used to be a UPS driver ,he said when he was in a rush loading his truck, he would literally THROW packages into the truck, then get into the back of the truck to stack them up...
IF he could physically lift it and throw it, that's what he did.

I totally agree with you on the packing it "better" deal. Especially when it is an expensive piece of equipment such as a motor.
But in my experience in dealing with freight trucks everything must be on a palate with straps, and or shrinkwrap depending on weight and size of the box/object/package.

Also in my line of work I have to ship out warranty compressors back to the original maufacturer(Through UPS freight and FedEx freight). Now these are not your average compressors. Most of them are industrial size and must be removed (by crane, and in some extreme cases by helicopter) from the rooftops of companies such as WAl-Mart, Brookshires, and most all large scale grocery stores. They range in weight from 50lbs to 500lbs and normally are set side by side, 3 per palate, (depending on size). As you could guess they are filled with oil (and mostly covered in oil,grease,dirt and really whatever kind of slime imaginable) so they must be plugged before any freight company will accept them. Now when I secure them to a palate I use two metal straps per compressor (about 4 straps for a 500lb compressor). And that is the only way a freight company will accept them for return shipping. Also (just for a laugh) when these compressors arrive from the manufacturer in "NEW" condition they are in a cardboard box surrounded with "packing peanuts" and foam, and they are held down on their palate by a single metal strap. And that sounds incredibly similar to the way jman shipped the motor.

My point is that the only thing he seems to have done wrong is the lack of effort to drain the oil. Even if he had drained the oil that would not prevent something like a 4-foot drop from damaging the packaging and it's cargo.

Sorry about your bad luck loogie. Just thought I might spread some insight on how most freight is shipped. Good luck and I hope this is resolved in both you and the sellers favor

[bigkapp]

Jmansr if this is how you have been shipping motors for 10 years, im suprized you're still in buisness... there is no way i would pack a motor in a rubbermaid container with peanuts and call it good, its not a fucking headlight...... and ive never shipped a motor through ups, but i know that would not fly, and everyone knows to drain all fluids, thats just common fuckin sense.... which before the sand and oil, in my opinion there is no way that was a fresh minty engine to begin with... You will continue to make money on stuntlife???????? you are fuckin dumb.. no way in hell would i take a chance buyin $5 worth of nuts and bolts from you now..
Loogie i feel for you dog... thats a fuckin garbage situation

[Dick Loogie Stunts]

Originally Posted by bigkapp

Jmansr if this is how you have been shipping motors for 10 years, im suprized you're still in buisness... there is no way i would pack a motor in a rubbermaid container with peanuts and call it good, its not a fucking headlight...... and ive never shipped a motor through ups, but i know that would not fly, and everyone knows to drain all fluids, thats just common fuckin sense.... which before the sand and oil, you can tell there is no way that was a fresh minty engine to begin with... You will continue to make money on stuntlife???????? you are fuckin dumb.. no way in hell would i take a chance buyin $5 worth of nuts and bolts from you now..
Loogie i feel for you dog... thats a fuckin garbage situation

thanks broi totally agree and will NEVER buy shit from dude again

[Dick Loogie Stunts]

After reading all your posts man I dont think I should even try to make things right with you on this. All you do is talk shit try saying that Im full of shit and never sent anything out the way I say. Ill play the game too and not sent an ECU. Im out an ECU already, Plus the other part I put in the package, but you want to play this game on stuntlife go for it. I dont make my money off this forum. Does not hurt me any. You call BS on everything im saying so good luck. Hope your happy with UPS shit.

Next time try to handle it a little better and you might get some cooperation on the companies part.
so thats the PM dude sent me,so i guess im not getting a ECU OR a "minty" motor or a refund cuz i "talked shit" and still no pics that he said he was gonna postso LIKE I SAID B4 , DONT BUY FROM JMANSR6

[HighStyles]

(Loogie) what is his paypal address, i'll post it up on every forum i am registered in, give ALL THE INFO you have, he won't make this right, i'm sure through networking we CAN hurt his business, maybe stuntlife won't hurt, but i'm sure we can fuck him way worse then 800 bucks worth.

[Dick Loogie Stunts]

justin 417-449-7240 SALVAGE PRO's(ya right,pro rip off)417-827-7791 PP addy is midwestoyz@yahoo.com good luck selling shit ANYWHERE now

[Dick Loogie Stunts]

for sale: one "minty" 636 engine with 6k miles...sand and oil include in shipping price....

[bigkapp]

Originally Posted by loogie

for sale: one "minty" 636 engine with 6k miles...sand and oil include in shipping price....

hahhaha atleast you can have a good attitude about it loogie..... i would still be wiggin out..

[Dick Loogie Stunts]

http://www.swmosportbikes.com/forum/...earchid=898560 i found some more shady dealings on dude on this site

[jmansr6]

According to UPS guidelines, you never asked for full insurance, which you should have, then it would have been covered!!! Since you signed for it and accepted it that is your fault. So you screwed up by doing that.

Your package has been delivered. To view Proof of Delivery, please select the link. Tracking Information Tracking Number:1Z952RY50397921628 Status: Delivered Delivered On: 10/07/2009 10:22 A.M. Signed By:MEEK
Location:RECEPTION Delivered To: 20123 CINDY ST
REDDING, CA, US 96001

[*Tanus*]

Originally Posted by jmansr6

According to UPS guidelines, you never asked for full insurance, which you should have, then it would have been covered!!! Since you signed for it and accepted it that is your fault. So you screwed up by doing that.

your a real dickhead and I bet you suck ass at stunting

[stick1300]

Hey, jman, you coming to YO FACE in a couple weeks? I bet there will be some people who'd be excited to see you....

[jmansr6]

Ya sure, im the dick for damaging the motor, since I work at UPS and all. Crazy how I send out a good motor it gets damaged in transit and its all the sellers fault.

[jmansr6]

Ya ill be there is that a threat???

[*Tanus*]

Originally Posted by jmansr6

Ya sure, im the dick for damaging the motor, since I work at UPS and all. Crazy how I send out a good motor it gets damaged in transit and its all the sellers fault.

even if it is 100% ups fault your still being a dick about it

but it seems more likely its 80% your fault for shity packaging and 20% ups for shity handling

but your obviously a lying scumbag since you first said you shipped the ecu, then said you would ship the ecu and now your not going to send it cause he was "talking shit"(translation- exposing you for the lying scumbag that you are)

eat shit!

[stick1300]

Originally Posted by jmansr6

Ya ill be there is that a threat???

Nope. I have no reason to threaten you. Just saying.