staggard circles

4shzx6 · 11-16-2009, 10:08 AM

ive just started trying staggard circles to the right,im on a 98zx6r my idles about 2.5 -3k ,rear psi 20,can slow it down and dip it in ,i was getting quite consitent with dipin it in but upgraded to dual caliper the other day so still gettin used to the grabbyness of it,finding that as i turn it just falls away im using throttle a bit but highsides when i do,cant work out what im doin wrong been tryin everythin ,countersteering moving bodyweight ,dunno if im goin to tight, is it best to start wide circles then work in? or just go for smaller ones till i get em cus it does'nt feel like it dips in when i try wide ones ,does'nt feel the same, just feels like im goin slow an turning.dunno if alot of ppl do staggard anymore just need a few tips really

cheers.

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da Liks · 11-17-2009, 11:51 AM

what does staggered wheelies have to do with a dual caliper setup? footbrake!

MoHawk · 11-17-2009, 12:37 PM

That's what I'm thinking...

4shzx6 · 11-17-2009, 07:19 PM

yeah just read it bk ,kinda explained it wrong,i just meant like i was finding it hard on the stock rear caliper to get it stay up and to kinda turn and now i changed to nissin 4 pot for footbrake its even harder! keep mousetrapin it ,i wana get tight circles just wonderin if ppl go for quite wide ones then work ur way in , will it help?,or is that a waste of time? or just keep triyin at smaller ones ,ive been trin wider ones,keeps goin out and not stayin in the turn,hangin right off the bike to try in pull it round ,the tighter ones seems to fall in just wont stay up falls away then when i use a bit of throttle it highsides .

da Liks · 11-18-2009, 07:26 AM

go left for staggered, way better.. come in on idle, suddenly slow it down and stretch the left leg while pushing the bike in. let GO of the brake!

johnnyrocket · 11-20-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MoHawk

That's what I'm thinking...

can you even do a circle

old man roger · 11-20-2009, 06:29 PM

i learned going to the right and trying it tight and it took me about 4 months

every one else that i teach to go right they always seem to go wide first and then they learn to get tighter and tighter and they all learned waaaaaaaaaay faster than i did ...

being able to catch idle constantly is the key , if you can roll around on idle with out having to touch the throttle much you will have alot easier of a time learning circles ..

by the way i learned on a 98 zx6 and i know mine would lose serious rpm when i hit balance point so if yours does the same you may want to turn your idle up a little more but with that being said i have ridden one that pulls like a train on idle so if thats the case your idle is fine where it is

4shzx6 · 11-21-2009, 11:58 AM

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go left for staggered, way better.. come in on idle, suddenly slow it down and stretch the left leg while pushing the bike in. let GO of the brake!

yeah im gona stick with goin to the right now ive started em,feel like im makin progress slowly ,kinda getting used to the sensitive footbrake ,its not throwin me over the bars now

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i learned going to the right and trying it tight and it took me about 4 months

every one else that i teach to go right they always seem to go wide first and then they learn to get tighter and tighter and they all learned waaaaaaaaaay faster than i did ...

being able to catch idle constantly is the key , if you can roll around on idle with out having to touch the throttle much you will have alot easier of a time learning circles ..

by the way i learned on a 98 zx6 and i know mine would lose serious rpm when i hit balance point so if yours does the same you may want to turn your idle up a little more but with that being said i have ridden one that pulls like a train on idle so if thats the case your idle is fine where it is

ill be happy to get em in 4 months

. im feelin quite comfortable now tho so hopefully i will ,catchin the idle pretty consitently then turning,been tryin both wide and tight ,goin wides def helped .kinda put my left knee on seat so shifted my weight more central thats helped too abit ,
mine pulls quite well but i think im gona do what you said and raise the idle slightly ,i was on around 5k but was stalling loads someone said its cus it was too high for the speed i was turning ,got one small one the other night didnt get all the way round but gettin the feel for them VERY slowly lol ,i recon i must have done like 3000! my wrists are fucked from stalling all time lol . cheers for the pointers tho ill give em ago.

old man roger · 11-21-2009, 03:18 PM

you will have more control over the bike if your knee isnt in the seat , i would suggest foot in the bar or trunk or even staggered over the knee on the seat

4shzx6 · 11-22-2009, 07:20 AM

cool,ill try foot in trunk then.

Bowers · 11-22-2009, 08:16 AM

loads of advice from

... ur be better than me in a week now ash

old man roger · 11-22-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowers

loads of advice from

... ur be better than me in a week now ash

i hate it when i teach some one some thing and they do it faster and better than i do

4shzx6 · 11-22-2009, 01:50 PM

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loads of advice from

... ur be better than me in a week now ash

hes definately got some good advice mate ,knows what hes talkin bout

youll have too come up our way if ya get the chance mate,were ridin in a gd place out of the way ,plenty of room ,its block pavin tho so probly not great for driftin but good for wheelies an all that,clutches up in the wet too with no probs.

Towlieee · 11-22-2009, 02:51 PM

edit: nevermind

just keep practicing! Personally I think tight staggard circles are WAY easier tight then wide. Stuff like SS's I do think you can spin wide and tight easy, but staggard I would think would be hard to go wide

4shzx6 · 11-22-2009, 06:51 PM

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just keep practicing! Personally I think tight staggard circles are WAY easier tight then wide. Stuff like SS's I do think you can spin wide and tight easy, but staggard I would think would be hard to go wide

yeah when im goin wide im kinda edging it round using brake and a bit of throttle probly looks more like a hexagon shape than a circle lol,think its probly helpin me with brake /throttle control but it def feels different when i try em tight,leans in more just getting it to stay up is the hard bit .but yeah i just gotta keep at em i suppose,hopefully it will click soon .

11-17-2009, 11:51 AM	#2
da Liks Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rotterdamn Europe Age: 30 Bike: 04 600 RR, 03 954 Gender: Male Posts: 4,133	Re: staggard circles what does staggered wheelies have to do with a dual caliper setup? footbrake!

11-17-2009, 12:37 PM	#3
MoHawk Post Whore Nazi Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: VA (Bad News)! Thanks USAF. Originally from HAWAII Age: 23 Bike: Hera... My Goddess of Destruction Gender: Male Posts: 7,059	Re: staggard circles That's what I'm thinking... __________________ "i can make a few calls , i went to high school with jesus "-OMR "Freedom itself was attacked this morning by a faceless coward, and freedom will be defended"

11-17-2009, 07:19 PM	#4
4shzx6 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: uk Age: 27 Bike: zx6r 98, 07 crf50 Gender: Male Posts: 94	Re: staggard circles yeah just read it bk ,kinda explained it wrong,i just meant like i was finding it hard on the stock rear caliper to get it stay up and to kinda turn and now i changed to nissin 4 pot for footbrake its even harder! keep mousetrapin it ,i wana get tight circles just wonderin if ppl go for quite wide ones then work ur way in , will it help?,or is that a waste of time? or just keep triyin at smaller ones ,ive been trin wider ones,keeps goin out and not stayin in the turn,hangin right off the bike to try in pull it round ,the tighter ones seems to fall in just wont stay up falls away then when i use a bit of throttle it highsides .

11-18-2009, 07:26 AM	#5
da Liks Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rotterdamn Europe Age: 30 Bike: 04 600 RR, 03 954 Gender: Male Posts: 4,133	Re: staggard circles go left for staggered, way better.. come in on idle, suddenly slow it down and stretch the left leg while pushing the bike in. let GO of the brake!

11-20-2009, 06:29 PM	#7
old man roger also known as OMR Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OMR INDUSTRIES in west palm beach florida Bike: OMR PREPPED 636 Gender: Male Posts: 74,194	Re: staggard circles i learned going to the right and trying it tight and it took me about 4 months every one else that i teach to go right they always seem to go wide first and then they learn to get tighter and tighter and they all learned waaaaaaaaaay faster than i did ... being able to catch idle constantly is the key , if you can roll around on idle with out having to touch the throttle much you will have alot easier of a time learning circles .. by the way i learned on a 98 zx6 and i know mine would lose serious rpm when i hit balance point so if yours does the same you may want to turn your idle up a little more but with that being said i have ridden one that pulls like a train on idle so if thats the case your idle is fine where it is __________________ OMR SUBCAGES !!!!!!!!! THE ORIGINAL FOLDING PEG SUBCAGE RIGHTEOUSSTUNTMETAL,COM STRICTLYSTUNT.COM

11-21-2009, 03:18 PM	#9
old man roger also known as OMR Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: OMR INDUSTRIES in west palm beach florida Bike: OMR PREPPED 636 Gender: Male Posts: 74,194	Re: staggard circles you will have more control over the bike if your knee isnt in the seat , i would suggest foot in the bar or trunk or even staggered over the knee on the seat __________________ OMR SUBCAGES !!!!!!!!! THE ORIGINAL FOLDING PEG SUBCAGE RIGHTEOUSSTUNTMETAL,COM STRICTLYSTUNT.COM

11-22-2009, 07:20 AM	#10
4shzx6 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: uk Age: 27 Bike: zx6r 98, 07 crf50 Gender: Male Posts: 94	Re: staggard circles cool,ill try foot in trunk then.

11-22-2009, 08:16 AM	#11
Bowers Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: london Age: 30 Bike: 07 600rr, kx 125 ,600f4I, crf 50, 2005 636 Gender: Male Posts: 387	Re: staggard circles loads of advice from ... ur be better than me in a week now ash __________________ 2005 636 c1h Bowers-Stunts.co.uk PACMAN IS IN DE HOUSE

11-22-2009, 02:51 PM	#14
Towlieee Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Anywhere wheelies happen Age: 23 Bike: 02F4i 05Fiddy 05Crf150 Gender: Male Posts: 5,436	Re: staggard circles edit: nevermind just keep practicing! Personally I think tight staggard circles are WAY easier tight then wide. Stuff like SS's I do think you can spin wide and tight easy, but staggard I would think would be hard to go wide