How many of you stunters can also kneedrag? - Stunt Discussion

JAGMAN · 12-07-2002, 09:51 PM

Guys,
I was reading a thread here that seemed to get off course a little bit...BUT it did bring up an interesting topic. Do stunters hate kneedraggers and visa-versa? The majority of my team, are both efficient at both stunting and kneedraggin and we enjoy both.

So what does everyone think about this issue?

How many of you stunters out there can also kneedrag well?

Also, if you can, do you think it is as challenging as stunting? (If you also stunt of course)

This is not intended to start a fight, but I am very curious. I know alot of stunters personally who can stunt but couldn't ride a bike through the corners well to save their lives. I also know as many kneedraggers who can't stunt well. Just want to see what the stunt world feels about this issue!

JAGMAN

BTW...I want to see pics of stunters draggin knees...here is one of me and one of my guys!

CRAZY DAN · 12-07-2002, 10:06 PM

Ive never raced or been on a track. Draggin knees on the streets I hear is prettty dumb....so ive never tried it......well depends I drag knee all the time doing ape hangers.... so I guess I drag knee and drag tail at the same time! Hows that? Pretty PimP!!! Give me some leathers and I will drag elbow!!! LOL

I dont hate on the road racers, I wouldnt mind tryin it out some day!!!

Later!

12-07-2002, 10:16 PM

JAG I THINK IM ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO REPLIED TO THE EARLIER (sorry just realized the caps lock was on) thread u spoke of and just to clarify my point of view, do i dragg knee NO do i stunt well im workin on it on the bike but ive been known to throw the occasional (short and not very tall ) endo or wheelie on the street on the bike. but ive got to be honest when i say that i really think though both are better left to a controlled enviornment i really feel its safer for the rider and those around him or her to stunt on the streets than to be draggin knee in a corner in the streets bangin corners theres just to manty other variables that u throw in and though yes there are variables in the stunt aspect i gotta stick to my guns on this one but thats just my opinion and there aint no book of scott in the bible!!!!!!!!!!

JAGMAN · 12-07-2002, 10:47 PM

Crazy Dan...

Your response was sweet man! The Ape Hangers are definitly draggin knees so you are official! :D

Seriously...I want to take the "stupid" or "dangerous" out of this question. We all know both can be "stupid" and "dangerous" if done in the wrong place. It is MUCH more dangerous to ride 85mph High Chairs up the highway with traffic barraling behind you than it is to go to the middle of the West Virginia mountains kneedraggin where you are lucky to see a car every 10-15 minutes. The flip to this is it is MUCH more dangerous to be kneedraggin in a populated area where a kid or car could run out in front of you any minute, than it is to pull a sweet stoppie at a traffic light or something like that!

See what I am saying? Both can be "stupid" and "dangerous" !!! I am not curious about if you think it is "stupid" or "dangerous", I want to know if stunters like draggin knees and kneedraggers like stunting!?

Would love to see some kneedraggin pics...and DAN...you can post your Ape Hanger, cause that counts in my book!

JAGMAN

*nags* · 12-07-2002, 11:53 PM

I used to be into corners and shit untill I got into stunting... Now I run low tire pressure and putt around the corners

Fiks · 12-08-2002, 03:21 AM

Same here, I did 3 seasons of roadracing, until I discovered stunting. I only went to 1 race and 1 track day this summer. I had more fun going to our spot and try new tricks. and I didn't had to wake up at 6am on sunday morning not to miss the riders meeting :p

GEISTSTAR · 12-08-2002, 04:05 AM

road racing is cool if you have tha opportunity----this is a big country many of us live in cramped cities(im in bronx)others live in tha middle of no were!!!! what corners!!!!!!! it gets boring if u live in nevada doin 160mph for 5 straight miles!!!!!!!! and if u got skill it takes time --how many of us live near a race track???????how many have time or money to travel???????? stuntin- walk outside theres your track and its free and when and how u want and u can make a vid and sell it --its a way of life --thats what were doin(rollazs -break tha mold)and its a way of life -i go to my local pizza joint do a 12oclock then a endo then power slide to a 180 then drop my furred out bike on tha side walk and eat my slice on it on tha floor!!!! you cant drag your knee on a cramped straight street with train tressels over head---and i think dragin knees is tha real danger ---at nite YA RITE!!!! or what about sand??? grooves??? deer???? or how about on tha track its a mile of grass after tha sand trap not to mention tha full leather!!! the semi comin is not leather friendly!! tha stuntin revolution here is so popular cause it answered so many questions for lost riders---and way keep it gangsta-- l8tr

JAGMAN · 12-08-2002, 09:51 AM

All good feedback...

So far it is not hating kneedraggin...it is just not having the time or ability to go to the track or into the mountains. I spend 10x's the amount of time stunting as I do kneedraggin, but it is always entertaining to drag knees when you get the chance. At my shows, I drag knees on the dragstrip going in circles in first gear

People get a real KICK out of seeing a guy do this on a drag strip. I think it is a great "stunt" and I definitly don't see it much!

Any other kneedraggers out there like to stunt?

JAGMAN

Adam of SBH · 12-08-2002, 11:15 AM

Heres one of me at Texas world speedway. Speaking of stunt/racing, Sportbikehype has both a stunt team and a race team.

Kyle XXX · 12-08-2002, 12:23 PM

i think all stunters did the kneedrag thing but it's just not in there blood....

there's an old sayeng, once you drag tail. your race leathers go up for sale !!!!!

but how mant stunters can jump shit and light it on fire !!!!!!!!!

JAGMAN · 12-08-2002, 12:28 PM

ADAM...SAAAWEEET!!!

Great kneedraggin pic!

KYLE...You are on a jump and burn kick! HAHAHA!!! I didn't jump it but I caught it on fire doing a SICK burnout for The Starboyz in Carlise last summer...DOES THIS COUNT???

BiZ · 12-08-2002, 12:34 PM

Actually, I got involved in the Road Racing gig right after I got interested in sportbikes. I spent I think 3 years in it. Then discovered the Starboyz. So I decided to find out what was going on with this Liars. yea, I actually thought they were lieing when I saw their two Part Interview on TV. Shortly after that, I got involved with them, and saw with my own to eyes what I felt was a bit more exciting in a different way. So i then forgot about Road Racing, and got involved in this stunt gig. I knew it would sooner or later pay off and its starting too.

But being able to Road Race takes alot of skill. Its hard to put a number on it, but I would think Road Racing is a harder tail to learn and be great at. YOur taking chances in mutli ways all at fast rates of speed...the room for error is very slim compared to stunting...

put nevertheless, stunting is funner to watch....well until Moto GP begans...I cant wait to watch Nicky and Rossi go the F at it...let alone Maxx and Colin etc....now those are a group of one of the best riders in the world....

I still love road racing hehee

Kyle XXX · 12-08-2002, 12:55 PM

ha ha ha ha ha
i remember that night..... and yes that does count....

you are an honnorary member of the (jump shit and light it on fire crew)........ i'll have your membership sent to you at once !!!!!!!!

SpeedyCycles · 12-08-2002, 02:10 PM

This is how IIIIIIII feel, and maybe not everyone will agree.
Background:
I am a Motorcycle Safety Foundation instructor, I have been since I was 20 (yeah I know, youngest ever in the history of MSF). I am the lead instructor in the area.

I own a Roadrace School, Team Speedy Gonzales Safety School.

I own a Roadrace team, Team Speedy Gonzales. My father and I race together.

We have been fortunate enough to win a Championship and a #3 plate in 2001.

I just started stunting a few months ago. GSXR750 and sold my 900rr. Better than average for MY AREA, which is not saying much. Stoppies 80', wheelies, burn-outs, etc. NOT planning on making a living at it.

I see a motorcycle as a challenge, no matter what kind of riding. I love to learn more. I have never seen it as US VS. THEM. It is sad

to hear people hate others because they are different. Whenever I hear that I am like "Yeah, I stunt too" Most people are impressed/respect stunts, their piss is when they are done on public streets, no helmets, etc. Same thing with draggin knee. I Luse a friend or two a year to our local twistie road, and I hate seeing their parents at the hospital when they find out. I think that is why we fight the general public and cops.
I am an advocate of safety and I do my best to minimize my risk of getting hurt and having time away from my bike. More and more group stunt in an area they are allowed, track, etc. We have an industrial park when the cops come and watch. I choose to do it in a designated spot and so do most of the stunters I know.
Long ass answer to a short question.

Please, lets all just group hug.

GYNXxx · 12-08-2002, 03:02 PM

yes yes i can join in on both !!!! I love alll the shit ..dragggin knee can be even more dangerious than stunting... Losing it at 180k you bike gets much more fucked up than if you flip your bike at 30k ...But they both can be stupid and dangerous...and thats why we love these lil beasts so much!!!

GYNXxx · 12-08-2002, 03:03 PM

oh i forgot the proof....

fnf600 · 12-08-2002, 06:47 PM

i also used to kneedrag then i discovered stunting. what kyle said is exactly what i did (leathers are going on e-bay now). racing is definetly more dangerous, if you race it is a guarantee that you will wreck it is not if you just do a few stunts here and there. plus like everyone else said it is so much cheaper to stunt. i think a big reason that so many more people wreck racing is because it appears safer to lean the bike just a liiiiitle bit further than it does to grab a handfull of brake at 60. personally i started to stunt because of the cheaper cost but mostly becaue racing was not giving me that thrill i needed anymore i had to move on to a more satisfying trade. to me stunting is also harder. dont forget also its hard to get a fair arguement about racing when the forum is about stunting there are probably not too many racers on this one. good question though!

infamy · 12-08-2002, 08:36 PM

i dont have kneepucks or leathers , so i just drag my hand in the corner. good way to ruin perfectly fine gloves though.

Iniquite · 12-09-2002, 12:04 AM

I think the question has been awnsered but ill put in my opinon too. i accually did it the other way around, i stunted before i got on the track. about 2mo. after i got my first street bike i was trying to pick up the front wheel. not the smartest thing but stunting is something i picked up quick and my passion but i still love to throw sparks with my titanium sliders and get on one of the two tracks around me any chance i get.
im also a photographer where i sell pics on the track and stunting. so yea i can and do both.

Tick_9se7en3 · 12-09-2002, 01:07 AM

This was at my first track day. Sorry, no motion pics.

12-07-2002, 10:06 PM	#2
CRAZY DAN A Few Loose Screws - DVD Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Compton Age: 30 Bike: 06 kawi 636 Gender: Male Posts: 3,889	Ive never raced or been on a track. Draggin knees on the streets I hear is prettty dumb....so ive never tried it......well depends I drag knee all the time doing ape hangers.... so I guess I drag knee and drag tail at the same time! Hows that? Pretty PimP!!! Give me some leathers and I will drag elbow!!! LOL I dont hate on the road racers, I wouldnt mind tryin it out some day!!! Later! __________________ Alpinestars Shoei Micron Michelin Vortex Ferodo Scotts Cheetah KC Trends Carrozzerria FI Products Full Throttle Inc Detroit Muscle Smithers Customs Fabtech Chux Trux JMI Sign

12-07-2002, 11:53 PM	#5
nags FUCK IT. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S. Florida Age: 26 Bike: 2003 F4i / 2002 Honda CBR954 / Yamaha Zuma Gender: Male Posts: 59,693	I used to be into corners and shit untill I got into stunting... Now I run low tire pressure and putt around the corners __________________ Advertise Here! BB messenger pin: 30364020 http://www.the-nags.com/ http://www.stuntex.com http://www.moto-heaven.com

12-08-2002, 03:21 AM	#6
Fiks Stunt.ca Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Age: 31 Bike: cbr600f4i'02 x2, 636'05, gsxr600'02, xr70 Gender: Male Posts: 332	Same here, I did 3 seasons of roadracing, until I discovered stunting. I only went to 1 race and 1 track day this summer. I had more fun going to our spot and try new tricks. and I didn't had to wake up at 6am on sunday morning not to miss the riders meeting :p __________________ Stunt.ca

12-08-2002, 04:05 AM	#7
GEISTSTAR Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: downtown yonkers Age: 32 Bike: ANY AS LONG AS NOT A HARLEY Gender: Posts: 194	stuna road racing is cool if you have tha opportunity----this is a big country many of us live in cramped cities(im in bronx)others live in tha middle of no were!!!! what corners!!!!!!! it gets boring if u live in nevada doin 160mph for 5 straight miles!!!!!!!! and if u got skill it takes time --how many of us live near a race track???????how many have time or money to travel???????? stuntin- walk outside theres your track and its free and when and how u want and u can make a vid and sell it --its a way of life --thats what were doin(rollazs -break tha mold)and its a way of life -i go to my local pizza joint do a 12oclock then a endo then power slide to a 180 then drop my furred out bike on tha side walk and eat my slice on it on tha floor!!!! you cant drag your knee on a cramped straight street with train tressels over head---and i think dragin knees is tha real danger ---at nite YA RITE!!!! or what about sand??? grooves??? deer???? or how about on tha track its a mile of grass after tha sand trap not to mention tha full leather!!! the semi comin is not leather friendly!! tha stuntin revolution here is so popular cause it answered so many questions for lost riders---and way keep it gangsta-- l8tr __________________ LIFE IS SHORT ENJOY IT BY LIVIN IT---LEAVE A MARK--BE UNIQUE BUT YOURSELF-----NYRUFFRYDERS.COM------------www.TALKTVNEWS.COM-------WWW.INFOWARS.COM-----------WWW.STARBOYZ.COM---------------------http://loudfastugly.5u.com//rollazs.htm

12-08-2002, 09:51 AM	#8
JAGMAN PsychoBuells Crazy Cracka Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Central PA Age: 32 Bike: 2005 Buell Firebolt XB12R Gender: Male Posts: 810	All good feedback... So far it is not hating kneedraggin...it is just not having the time or ability to go to the track or into the mountains. I spend 10x's the amount of time stunting as I do kneedraggin, but it is always entertaining to drag knees when you get the chance. At my shows, I drag knees on the dragstrip going in circles in first gear People get a real KICK out of seeing a guy do this on a drag strip. I think it is a great "stunt" and I definitly don't see it much! Any other kneedraggers out there like to stunt? JAGMAN __________________ Buell Motorcycle Company: www.buell.com Whites Harley Buell: www.whitesharley.com Wicked Dreamz Customs: www.mywickeddreamz.com Powers Stuntworx: www.powersstuntworx.com Sha-Sha Fine Shoes: www.sha-sha.com Moto-Heaven: www.moto-heaven.com

12-07-2002, 10:16 PM	#3
sclevela Age: Bike: Gender: Posts: n/a	JAG I THINK IM ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO REPLIED TO THE EARLIER (sorry just realized the caps lock was on) thread u spoke of and just to clarify my point of view, do i dragg knee NO do i stunt well im workin on it on the bike but ive been known to throw the occasional (short and not very tall ) endo or wheelie on the street on the bike. but ive got to be honest when i say that i really think though both are better left to a controlled enviornment i really feel its safer for the rider and those around him or her to stunt on the streets than to be draggin knee in a corner in the streets bangin corners theres just to manty other variables that u throw in and though yes there are variables in the stunt aspect i gotta stick to my guns on this one but thats just my opinion and there aint no book of scott in the bible!!!!!!!!!!

12-08-2002, 12:23 PM	#10
Kyle XXX Group Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: FLORIDA Age: 30 Bike: Way to many!!!!! Gender: Male Posts: 450	on and on again i think all stunters did the kneedrag thing but it's just not in there blood.... there's an old sayeng, once you drag tail. your race leathers go up for sale !!!!! but how mant stunters can jump shit and light it on fire !!!!!!!!! __________________ ( I DON'T COME TO BOW !!! I COME TO WIN !!! ) Support the companies who support you! StuntLife.com HAIbikeshop.com LevelXvideo.com KyleWoods.com

12-08-2002, 12:34 PM	#12
BiZ Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Age: 30 Bike: 2004 R1 Gender: Male Posts: 220	Actually, I got involved in the Road Racing gig right after I got interested in sportbikes. I spent I think 3 years in it. Then discovered the Starboyz. So I decided to find out what was going on with this Liars. yea, I actually thought they were lieing when I saw their two Part Interview on TV. Shortly after that, I got involved with them, and saw with my own to eyes what I felt was a bit more exciting in a different way. So i then forgot about Road Racing, and got involved in this stunt gig. I knew it would sooner or later pay off and its starting too. But being able to Road Race takes alot of skill. Its hard to put a number on it, but I would think Road Racing is a harder tail to learn and be great at. YOur taking chances in mutli ways all at fast rates of speed...the room for error is very slim compared to stunting... put nevertheless, stunting is funner to watch....well until Moto GP begans...I cant wait to watch Nicky and Rossi go the F at it...let alone Maxx and Colin etc....now those are a group of one of the best riders in the world.... I still love road racing hehee

12-08-2002, 12:55 PM	#13
Kyle XXX Group Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: FLORIDA Age: 30 Bike: Way to many!!!!! Gender: Male Posts: 450	lol lol lol lol ha ha ha ha ha i remember that night..... and yes that does count.... you are an honnorary member of the (jump shit and light it on fire crew)........ i'll have your membership sent to you at once !!!!!!!! __________________ ( I DON'T COME TO BOW !!! I COME TO WIN !!! ) Support the companies who support you! StuntLife.com HAIbikeshop.com LevelXvideo.com KyleWoods.com

12-08-2002, 06:47 PM	#17
fnf600 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: clearwater fl Age: 25 Bike: 2002 gixxer 600 Gender: Posts: 34	i also used to kneedrag then i discovered stunting. what kyle said is exactly what i did (leathers are going on e-bay now). racing is definetly more dangerous, if you race it is a guarantee that you will wreck it is not if you just do a few stunts here and there. plus like everyone else said it is so much cheaper to stunt. i think a big reason that so many more people wreck racing is because it appears safer to lean the bike just a liiiiitle bit further than it does to grab a handfull of brake at 60. personally i started to stunt because of the cheaper cost but mostly becaue racing was not giving me that thrill i needed anymore i had to move on to a more satisfying trade. to me stunting is also harder. dont forget also its hard to get a fair arguement about racing when the forum is about stunting there are probably not too many racers on this one. good question though! __________________ "Should I bring my fuckin' tools?"

12-08-2002, 08:36 PM	#18
infamy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: sac , CA Age: Bike: 2002 gsxr 1000 Gender: Posts: 95	i dont have kneepucks or leathers , so i just drag my hand in the corner. good way to ruin perfectly fine gloves though.

12-09-2002, 12:04 AM	#19
Iniquite Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Charleston, SC Age: 29 Bike: 93 900RR, Polini Corena Gender: Male Posts: 248	I think the question has been awnsered but ill put in my opinon too. i accually did it the other way around, i stunted before i got on the track. about 2mo. after i got my first street bike i was trying to pick up the front wheel. not the smartest thing but stunting is something i picked up quick and my passion but i still love to throw sparks with my titanium sliders and get on one of the two tracks around me any chance i get. im also a photographer where i sell pics on the track and stunting. so yea i can and do both.