Just tryin to get the name out there - Page 2

RKArmor · 10-29-2009, 12:08 AM

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MoHawk · 10-29-2009, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by IMR-Merlin

07 636's are my favorite year!

Hahaha. Yeah, mine too. Except I wanna bore mine out to a 1580

slidewayz89 · 10-29-2009, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MoHawk

Hahaha. Yeah, mine too. Except I wanna bore mine out to a 1580

i already did and its

RedRepsol · 10-29-2009, 04:45 AM

How much for the rearsets for an '01 f4i? Products look great btw!

PUNKON1WHEEL · 10-29-2009, 09:10 AM

Hmmmmm. Very strange that there is so many similarities to SickInnovations parts.. That and theres a sick cage on the 05-06 636 in a few pics. Offers solid and foldable on subcage.... Looks like the f4i cage is a mix of a sick and 905 cage with slight tweaks to try to hide it........ Upper tripple clamp looks a bit like one ive seen before.... Not a good move bro.

RKArmor · 10-29-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PUNKON1WHEEL

Hmmmmm. Very strange that there is so many similarities to SickInnovations parts.. That and theres a sick cage on the 05-06 636 in a few pics. Offers solid and foldable on subcage.... Looks like the f4i cage is a mix of a sick and 905 cage with slight tweaks to try to hide it........ Upper tripple clamp looks a bit like one ive seen before.... Not a good move bro.

although there may be similarities SI parts there are also just as many differences example: all the tubing i use 1.125" dia. .125 wall DOM, all of my parts are waterjet cut in house not jobbed out to a laser shop

i also do all of the machining myself i cant help it some parts resemble others

ill admit i got ideas from alot of your parts with guys coming to me with bent or broken stuff needing it fixed or replaced, but i think this industry is big enough for all of us to put some stuff out there if anything just to give everyone more options

!!A2K!! · 10-29-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RKArmor

although there may be similarities SI parts there are also just as many differences example: all the tubing i use 1.125" dia. .125 wall DOM, all of my parts are waterjet cut in house not jobbed out to a laser shop

i also do all of the machining myself i cant help it some parts resemble others

ill admit i got ideas from alot of your parts with guys coming to me with bent or broken stuff needing it fixed or replaced, but i think this industry is big enough for all of us to put some stuff out there if anything just to give everyone more options

I dont see the big deal on other companys starting....gives you more of a choice of what you want and expands the sport with business....and with "copying" parts I know c4 made the first r6 subframe and si looks the exact same so i DO NOT see the big deal

IMR-Merlin · 10-29-2009, 01:33 PM

Did Henry Ford design the first Automobile? No, he designed a way to make it easier and more affordable. It's unfortunate that there are only so many ways to make a cage/stay and not have to copy others.
Companies are not judged by there product alone, they are also judged on price, availability and service.

The future for RK is still up in the air.

!!A2K!! · 10-29-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by IMR-Merlin

Did Henry Ford design the first Automobile? No, he designed a way to make it easier and more affordable. It's unfortunate that there are only so many ways to make a cage/stay and not have to copy others.
Companies are not judged by there product alone, they are also judged on price, availability and service.

The future for RK is still up in the air.

which is why they are making a version of converti bars for cheaper....I dont use them but some people do and dont want to spend 300 plus dollars for bars among other parts....The more companys the better. you can only make so many of the same parts that focus around the same designs....cant make a square shaped cage or a hexagon 12 bar....they just wont line up

Drew C. · 10-29-2009, 01:49 PM

hey ur subframe cage for the 05 636 is the shit i love it and whats up with a front fering stay

PUNKON1WHEEL · 10-29-2009, 01:55 PM

I dont mind the competition what so ever. Thats a part of business. But when people use our parts that we put the R&D into that tends to torque me the wrong way.

Be original and figure the shit out on your own. Many other people contacted me to tell me their thoughts on your parts and the similarities... I will just leave it at that. Good luck in your business venture.

PUNKON1WHEEL · 10-29-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by !!A2K!!

which is why they are making a version of converti bars for cheaper....I dont use them but some people do and dont want to spend 300 plus dollars for bars among other parts....The more companys the better. you can only make so many of the same parts that focus around the same designs....cant make a square shaped cage or a hexagon 12 bar....they just wont line up

Theres many other ways to make a cage.

Drew C. · 10-29-2009, 02:07 PM

yo how much for ur cage for a 05 636 and the front fering stay thanks

klos got me my subframe cage from u the best

IMR-Merlin · 10-29-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PUNKON1WHEEL

I dont mind the competition what so ever. Thats a part of business. But when people use our parts that we put the R&D into that tends to torque me the wrong way.

Be original and figure the shit out on your own. Many other people contacted me to tell me their thoughts on your parts and the similarities... I will just leave it at that. Good luck in your business venture.

I agree with you 100%, but I have had situations in auto racing where we got some parts, then modified them to our spec. We caught some flack for doing our own thing with their product, but as time went on and more of our developments proved better than theirs, they requested the "modified" parts back. Competitive secrets are highly guarded ones, so I declined. Push came to shove and because they were a partial sponsor and the season was over, they demanded them back so they could "rebuild" them for next year. So, I was forced to oblige.

My answer was to re-mod them back to the stock configuration so our hard work was kept with our team.

The unfortunate part your situation is that you are selling parts to the public. Once they hit the market (patented products aside) people are free to copy and build as they see fit.

Like I stated before, there is more to a company besides products. From the short time I have been back on this forum it seems that you have a good relationship with a lot of people on this forum and take time to listen and develop your products to meet their needs. This, coupled with good pricing and standing behind your product will make you prevail.

I think is was just 3 weeks ago we were looking at your 636 stunt stay in mock up and people were accusing you of copying JohnnyP.

trz · 10-29-2009, 03:57 PM

my thought on the agument... Is fuck it! its for a sport that we all do! cheaper parts that are made good = WIN!

IMR-Merlin · 10-29-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by trz

my thought on the agument... Is fuck it! its for a sport that we all do! cheaper parts that are made good = WIN!

Spoken from someone who's probably never had any time doing fab work or R&D.

Tekanomics · 10-29-2009, 04:10 PM

price on 03/04 636:
d-c bracket
rearset brackets

the stuff looks pretty good. imo, sure it may be a sad fact if it resembles the sick product moreso then a compliment to the design. however, as said. there are a lot of ways to make a cage... but not all are good ones. if a products offered that dont stand it dont stand but the attemot was made and if his parts do stand up then he's just got his r&d done and proved a point.

slidewayz89 · 10-29-2009, 04:21 PM

Im totally against some one stealing a design that is just plain fucked up and I would be pretty salty i agree with Ian on that one but there is a picture on his page with a sick cage on the bike....for real come on if it was your company and you seen your product on his bike then he had a subcage that looked the same. you would be pissed but its not my problem i talked to ryan seems like an alright guy i might even buy a subframe from him as soon as some one who stunts hard gets one and i can get a review....im just not down to take a chance on a new company really but he is a good dude thats for sure....

All this said cheaper parts are great but you get what you pay for I LOVE MY A-TOWN customs parts and live by them....Good luck on your venture RK ARMOR.

-SKETCHY- · 10-29-2009, 05:03 PM

i just pooped

slidewayz89 · 10-29-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by -SKETCHY-

i just pooped

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10-29-2009, 04:45 AM	#24
RedRepsol Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Bay Area, Ca Bike: '01 f4i Gender: Male Posts: 12	Re: Just tryin to get the name out there How much for the rearsets for an '01 f4i? Products look great btw!

10-29-2009, 09:10 AM	#25
PUNKON1WHEEL sickinnovations.com Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: EVANSVILLE Age: 30 Bike: F4i Gender: Male Posts: 1,760	Re: Just tryin to get the name out there Hmmmmm. Very strange that there is so many similarities to SickInnovations parts.. That and theres a sick cage on the 05-06 636 in a few pics. Offers solid and foldable on subcage.... Looks like the f4i cage is a mix of a sick and 905 cage with slight tweaks to try to hide it........ Upper tripple clamp looks a bit like one ive seen before.... Not a good move bro.

10-29-2009, 01:33 PM	#28
IMR-Merlin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ManchVegas, NH Bike: 01 Gixxer 1K, 04 636 Gender: Male Posts: 3,242	Re: Just tryin to get the name out there Did Henry Ford design the first Automobile? No, he designed a way to make it easier and more affordable. It's unfortunate that there are only so many ways to make a cage/stay and not have to copy others. Companies are not judged by there product alone, they are also judged on price, availability and service. The future for RK is still up in the air. __________________ Please visit out sponsors www.maxsalvage.com

10-29-2009, 01:49 PM	#30
Drew C. Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: long Island,Ny,U.S.A Age: 21 Bike: 2005 kawasaki ZX-6r Gender: Male Posts: 484	Re: Just tryin to get the name out there hey ur subframe cage for the 05 636 is the shit i love it and whats up with a front fering stay __________________ www.spbikeshop.com

10-29-2009, 01:55 PM	#31
PUNKON1WHEEL sickinnovations.com Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: EVANSVILLE Age: 30 Bike: F4i Gender: Male Posts: 1,760	Re: Just tryin to get the name out there I dont mind the competition what so ever. Thats a part of business. But when people use our parts that we put the R&D into that tends to torque me the wrong way. Be original and figure the shit out on your own. Many other people contacted me to tell me their thoughts on your parts and the similarities... I will just leave it at that. Good luck in your business venture.

10-29-2009, 02:07 PM	#33
Drew C. Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: long Island,Ny,U.S.A Age: 21 Bike: 2005 kawasaki ZX-6r Gender: Male Posts: 484	Re: Just tryin to get the name out there yo how much for ur cage for a 05 636 and the front fering stay thanks klos got me my subframe cage from u the best __________________ www.spbikeshop.com

10-29-2009, 03:57 PM	#35
trz Tank Danglers 4 life Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dallas & Killeen, Texas Age: 21 Bike: 06 GSXR 600, 07 Raptor 700, 04 f4i, 03 636 Gender: Male Posts: 808	Re: Just tryin to get the name out there my thought on the agument... Is fuck it! its for a sport that we all do! cheaper parts that are made good = WIN! __________________ Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win your still retarded... Last edited by trz; 10-29-2009 at 03:59 PM.

10-29-2009, 04:10 PM	#37
Tekanomics Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: the roads less traveled Bike: 4 gsxr's n a 6 durty 6 Gender: Male Posts: 240	Re: Just tryin to get the name out there price on 03/04 636: d-c bracket rearset brackets the stuff looks pretty good. imo, sure it may be a sad fact if it resembles the sick product moreso then a compliment to the design. however, as said. there are a lot of ways to make a cage... but not all are good ones. if a products offered that dont stand it dont stand but the attemot was made and if his parts do stand up then he's just got his r&d done and proved a point.

10-29-2009, 04:21 PM	#38
slidewayz89 myspace.com/atowncustoms Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NWA ar. Age: 21 Bike: ZUMA 50 mutha f-er Gender: Male Posts: 1,533	Re: Just tryin to get the name out there Im totally against some one stealing a design that is just plain fucked up and I would be pretty salty i agree with Ian on that one but there is a picture on his page with a sick cage on the bike....for real come on if it was your company and you seen your product on his bike then he had a subcage that looked the same. you would be pissed but its not my problem i talked to ryan seems like an alright guy i might even buy a subframe from him as soon as some one who stunts hard gets one and i can get a review....im just not down to take a chance on a new company really but he is a good dude thats for sure.... All this said cheaper parts are great but you get what you pay for I LOVE MY A-TOWN customs parts and live by them....Good luck on your venture RK ARMOR. __________________ www.myspace.com/atowncustoms .....for all your stunt products www.bikestylesinc.com ......for all you stunt clothing/stickers

10-29-2009, 05:03 PM	#39
-SKETCHY- Sketchy Stunts Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: my name is Andy & "I" like to party!! Age: 29 Bike: 05' KAWI!!!! Gender: Male Posts: 13,533	Re: Just tryin to get the name out there i just pooped __________________ Need parts?? Hit me up PORZIO PERFORMANCE INC. www.hoheydesigns.com www.magura.com