busted by a cop

[214stunna]

Originally Posted by Towlieee You believe cops follow that shit? They don't care about a no chase policy, they'll chase your ass I ran from pleanty of Fremont pd and not a one followed. I only knew of the policy because one of the motor cops told me about it.

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[Towlieee]

Originally Posted by 214stunna

I ran from pleanty of Fremont pd and not a one followed. I only knew of the policy because one of the motor cops told me about it.

Lots of cops are humans and realize 'hey i can't catch them'

but trust me, there is at least a few super cops on the force, the'll blow stop lines at triple digit speeds, and do anything just to run your ass over

[oh8cbr600]

Originally Posted by Towlieee

Lots of cops are humans and realize 'hey i can't catch them'

but trust me, there is at least a few super cops on the force, the'll blow stop lines at triple digit speeds, and do anything just to run your ass over

true dat.
but if the department has a no chase rule and they chase you, the cop is risking his job probably.
and if your lawyer is good, he'd probably get you out of the charges if you were chased.

[214stunna]

Try they would get in trouble if they chased to much of a danger to the public. The only problem is when they know your bike and show up to your work and warn you to stop doing wheelies past the cop shop. Then you should start riding in another city. LOL

[Towlieee]

Originally Posted by oh8cbr600

true dat.
but if the department has a no chase rule and they chase you, the cop is risking his job probably.
and if your lawyer is good, he'd probably get you out of the charges if you were chased.

I'm just talking out my ass now but

the way I look at it, if you can prove the cop broke policy and chased you, then they can prove you ran

Because if you claim "nah the cop didn't chase me" and the cop says "nope never gave chase" then technically they shouldn't be able to give you felony evasion

[oh8cbr600]

true on that one......
but the cop would risk losing his job to convict some punk on a bike haha.

id say that i was unaware that i was being followed, but that he obviously was chasing me? haha i dunno

my lawyer got me out of evading.
cause the pig didn't cut on his lights hahahah
that cop was so pissed, and he's always lookin for my bike now....
glad i moved to a new town.

[DIRTYJEFF636s]

Originally Posted by Towlieee

You believe cops follow that shit?

They don't care about a no chase policy, they'll chase your ass

+1156168416

[Lethal Rider]

Bay Area spots are all blown up...........


No Chase rules also applies in San Francisco


Tracy wharehouse spot is the shit ( its huge ) ....hell of stunners out there and never seen any bullshit....airport is like 2005 sessions


Lodi spot I discoverd like two years ago.....I told Lil Flip and Idol Riders about it and they never had any problems....when I 1st started going there no one was there but me and of few of my friends....I move from Lodi and now there's fucking BBQ every weekend at the spot

[Tomball_D]

They got pigs on four wheelers down here trying to catch us out in the woods and on the bayous. They can't catch my ass on some big ass four wheeler on my own trails. Maybe if I'm on the fifty though. Fuckin Pigs

[214stunna]

Originally Posted by Lethal Rider

Bay Area spots are all blown up...........


No Chase rules also applies in San Francisco


Tracy wharehouse spot is the shit ( its huge ) ....hell of stunners out there and never seen any bullshit....airport is like 2005 sessions


Lodi spot I discoverd like two years ago.....I told Lil Flip and Idol Riders about it and they never had any problems....when I 1st started going there no one was there but me and of few of my friends....I move from Lodi and now there's fucking BBQ every weekend at the spot

I guess they were happy you moved then!! Hahaha

[gixer7fitty]

Correction:

The only time i kill the streets here is when I ride with cops. I dont 'ride with cops' oops

but fuck u anyway your still a tool Jesse


-Gixer 7 Fitty

[dealsgapdragon]

Talk to a lawyer specializing in "criminal defense" (oxymoron since the alleged "criminal" is innocent until proven guilty, and most "crimes" are civil breach of contract with no jail allowed). First visit is free. Talk to several if you want a second opinion.

But you can win your own trial pro se without a lawyer for free, with a little homework. That's why its a good idea to always fight every ticket in court, just for practice, especially since traffic tickets are the easiest of all trials to win. Anyone who rides a 160 mph sportbike needs to learn how to win in court just to survive. It's also good practice for surviving a real lawsuit someday, just to know what's going on.

Cops lack jurisdiction on private property, unless invited by the property owner. Some state statutes claim they do have jurisdiction in parking lots, but those laws are unconstitutional, and can be overturned on appeal with a little work.

Enter the written permission contract signed by the property owner as an exhibit, then make a "motion to dismiss for lack of subject matter jurisdiction".

Read the state statute you are charged with.

Example of bogus law begging to be overturned on appeal:

PUBLIC ACTS, 2007 - PUBLIC CHAPTER NO. 308 - HOUSE BILL NO. 201

AN ACT to amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 55, Chapter 10 and Title 55, Chapter 8, relative to reckless driving. BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE: SECTION 1. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 55-10-205, is amended by adding the following as new subsection (b) and by relettering the existing subsection (b) accordingly: (b) A person commits an offense of reckless driving who drives a motorcycle with the front tire raised off the ground in willful and wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property on any public street, highway, alley, parking lot, or driveway, or on the premises of any shopping center, trailer park, apartment house complex, or any other premises which are generally frequented by the public at large. Provided, the offense of reckless driving for driving a motorcycle with the front tire raised off the ground shall not be applicable to persons riding in a parade, at a speed not to exceed thirty (30) miles per hour, if the person is eighteen (18) years of age or older. SECTION 2.


PASSED: May 14, 2007

Translation: It's ok to wheelie in a parking lot so long as you consider the safety of others. This is called an "essential element". If an element is missing from the prosecutor's proof, you win, by making a motion to dismiss after the prosecution rests its case.

All cops are required to lie every day as condition for employment.

Never talk to cops without using your own audio recorder. Better yet, never talk to cops.

Don't Talk to the Police by Officer George Bruch

- "Police are allowed to lie," says cop 3L law student.

Don't Talk to the Police warns law professor

- It's a felony to possess a lobster

As for suspended license, did you know you have a Constitutional right to travel without a license? There is no such thing as a "pilot license", but there are many grades of "pilot certificate", all of which ban speed limits and REQUIRE "stunt flying". FAA allows anyone to fly their own plane without a pilot certificate (student pilots and ultralight pilots or landing in a private airport). Boat & scooter drivers don't need a license. For 1000s of years nobody needed a license, back when horses and buggies were deadly. Cop Jack McLamb Radio Show says you dont need a license to drive.

Did you know that 75% of all judges in USA are not licensed lawyers? If judges don't have a license to practice law, how can they say you need a license to drive? All courts and cops admit this is true, by allowing "restricted driver licenses" to get to work, and forbiding payment of tickets and court costs for indigent defendants claiming their state's Homestead Exemption (including a $50-million home in Florida).

"The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horse drawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but the common Right which he has under his Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, under this Constitutional guarantee."
—II Am.Jur. (1st) Constitutional Law, Sect.329, p.1135

"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them."
-U.S. Supreme Court, Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436, 491

"There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of this exercise of constitutional Rights."
-Snerer vs. Cullen, 481 F. 946

"The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime."
-Miller v. US, 230 F 486, 489

"Confiscation of property of all emigrants and rebels."
—Communist Manifesto, 4th Plank

"Government control of Communications and Transportation."
-Communist Manifesto, 6th Plank, written by Karl Marx in London, England, United Kingdom of the British Empire dictatorship

Obviously no judge who wants to keep his overpaid job is going to actually sign an order that the entire Police State is a scam, but it educates him that you're a free American not a Commie slave, and its more likely for you to win on soem other issue.

How to Beat a Speeding Ticket - Free Ebook download by attorney Norman G. Fernandez at BikerLawyer.net

National Motorists Association Traffic Ticket Defense Kit - Includes essential pro se law books by NoloPress.com - NMA will pay your ticket if you lose (speed tickets only)

General info on winning in traffic court

"The US Supreme Court said in Miranda that there's 40,000 police jurisdictions in America. We expect one civil rights crime in every one of those agencies every day. 40,000 times 365 days a year is 14,600,000 crimes committed by police every year. Hell, there's only 14,200,000 crimes committed by the criminals. The police commit more crimes against the People than the criminals commit!"
-George Gordon, The Policeman Is Not Your Friend, He Is Your Adversary

"10% of cops are honest, 10% are dishonest, and 80% wish they were honest."
-Detective Frank Serpico, NYPD, testimony to Knapp Commission

COP.
2. to steal; filch.
3. to buy (narcotics).
4. cop out, a. to avoid one's responsibility, the fulfillment of a promise, etc.; renege; back out.
b. cop a plea.
5. cop a plea, a. to plead guilty or confess in return for receiving a lighter sentence.
b. to plead guilty to a lesser charge as a means of bargaining one's way out of standing trial for a more serious charge; plea-bargain.
-Dictionary.com, Random House Unabridged Dictionary 2006

As a more advanced tool to win in court, know that all cops are career criminals, according to their own laws. Always buy a copy of the cop's in-car video, which shows the cop breaking many traffic laws (which is why most cops delete their videos as much as possible, which is illegal destruction of evidence). I always file criminal charges agaisnt the cop, which forces the judge to arrest the cop, or dismiss charges against you, as required by Equal Protection doctrine in the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution (that freed the slaves after the Civil War). When one group of people (cops) get rights (speeding etc) or immunity from prosecution, then everyone gets those rights and immunity. Note that judges, prosecutors, grand juries and cops do everything possible to refuse to arrest criminals employed by government, including felonies, so the traffic ticket against you gets dismissed. Very few lawyers will do this, unless they are excellent criminal defense specialists. But I do it pro se for free.

[oh8cbr600]

Originally Posted by dealsgapdragon

Talk to a lawyer specializing in "criminal defense" (oxymoron since the alleged "criminal" is innocent until proven guilty, and most "crimes" are civil breach of contract with no jail allowed). First visit is free. Talk to several if you want a second opinion.

But you can win your own trial pro se without a lawyer for free, with a little homework. That's why its a good idea to always fight every ticket in court, just for practice, especially since traffic tickets are the easiest of all trials to win. Anyone who rides a 160 mph sportbike needs to learn how to win in court just to survive. It's also good practice for surviving a real lawsuit someday, just to know what's going on.

Cops lack jurisdiction on private property, unless invited by the property owner. Some state statutes claim they do have jurisdiction in parking lots, but those laws are unconstitutional, and can be overturned on appeal with a little work.

Enter the written permission contract signed by the property owner as an exhibit, then make a "motion to dismiss for lack of subject matter jurisdiction".

Read the state statute you are charged with.

Example of bogus law begging to be overturned on appeal:



Translation: It's ok to wheelie in a parking lot so long as you consider the safety of others. This is called an "essential element". If an element is missing from the prosecutor's proof, you win, by making a motion to dismiss after the prosecution rests its case.

All cops are required to lie every day as condition for employment.

Never talk to cops without using your own audio recorder. Better yet, never talk to cops.

- "Police are allowed to lie," says cop 3L law student.

- It's a felony to possess a lobster

As for suspended license, did you know you have a Constitutional right to travel without a license? There is no such thing as a "pilot license", but there are many grades of "pilot certificate", all of which ban speed limits. FAA allows anyone to fly their own plane without a pilot certificate (student pilots and ultralight pilots or anyone landing in a private airport or field). Boat drivers don't need a license. Scooter riders dont need a license. For 1000s of years nobody needed a license, back when horses and buggies were deadly.

Did you know that 75% of all judges in USA are not licensed lawyers? If judges don't have a license to practice law, how can they say you need a license to drive? All courts and cops admit this is true, by allowing "restricted driver licenses" to get to work, and forbiding payment of tickets and court costs for indigent defendants claiming their state's Homestead Exemption.



Obviously no judge who wants to keep his overpaid job is going to actually sign an order that the entire Police State is a scam, but it educates him that you're a free American not a Commie slave, and its more likely for you to win on soem other issue.

How to Beat a Speeding Ticket - Free Ebook download by attorney Norman G. Fernandez at BikerLawyer.net

National Motorists Association Traffic Ticket Defense Kit - Includes essential pro se law books by NoloPress.com - NMA will pay your ticket if you lose (speed tickets only)

General info on winning in traffic court


As a more advanced tool to win in court, know that all cops are career criminals, according to their own laws. Always buy a copy of the cop's in-car video, which shows the cop breaking many traffic laws (which is why most cops delete their videos as much as possible, which is illegal destruction of evidence). I always file criminal charges agaisnt the cop, which forces the judge to arrest the cop, or dismiss charges against you, as required by Equal Protection doctrine in the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution (that freed the slaves after the Civil War). When one group of people (cops) get rights (speeding etc) or immunity from prosecution, then everyone gets those rights and immunity. Note that judges, prosecutors, grand juries and cops do everything possible to refuse to arrest criminals employed by government, including felonies, so the traffic ticket against you gets dismissed. Very few lawyers will do this, unless they are excellent criminal defense specialists. But I do it pro se for free.

If i read that top part right, if im in a parade, 18, or driving slow im allowed to wheelie?

[YSRRider]

I farted and it smells like a shoe store. I think its my fabric softener.

[dealsgapdragon]

Originally Posted by oh8cbr600

If i read that top part right, if im in a parade, 18, or driving slow im allowed to wheelie?

Yes. In Tennessee.

King of the South stunt show was at a race track this week, so does this law apply? That would be absurd.

It also means that the 14th Amendment Equal Protection argument applies. If you can wheelie on public streets in a parade, you can wheelie anytime, anywhere, so long as you don't cause damage to someone else. Note that constitutional arguments usually only win in appeals courts, since trial judges are just there to steal money, not obey the law. Equal Protection argument is what lawyers use when they get 200 parking tickets (when judges get free parking), lose 3 trials on appeal, then appeal to state supreme court, case dismissed by prosecutors and all parking meters removed from town and everyone gets free parking, to prevent settign a legal precedent statewide,

Note that courts agree that speed limits are invalid without traffic engineering survey of the 85th Percentile average speed of traffic. This law is never complied with.

[oh8cbr600]

damn.
you know too much.

[DIRTYJEFF636s]

Originally Posted by dealsgapdragon

Yes. In Tennessee.

King of the South stunt show was at a race track this week, so does this law apply? That would be absurd.

It also means that the 14th Amendment Equal Protection argument applies. If you can wheelie on public streets in a parade, you can wheelie anytime, anywhere, so long as you don't cause damage to someone else. Note that constitutional arguments usually only win in appeals courts, since trial judges are just there to steal money, not obey the law. Equal Protection argument is what lawyers use when they get 200 parking tickets (when judges get free parking), lose 3 trials on appeal, then appeal to state supreme court, case dismissed by prosecutors and all parking meters removed from town and everyone gets free parking, to prevent settign a legal precedent statewide,

Note that courts agree that speed limits are invalid without traffic engineering survey of the 85th Percentile average speed of traffic. This law is never complied with.

i'm hiring you , but i have no ground to walk on because i lost my license

[dealsgapdragon]

Originally Posted by oh8cbr600

damn.
you know too much.

I wish I didn't. Used to be young dumb and happy.

Now Im old wise and crotchety.

Live and learn.

If Id fought my 20 traffic tickets when I was a kid, Id have learned enough to ace law school, and Id be a multimillionaire like the rest of my family. Including my cousin on TN Supreme Court.

Instead I just ignored the tickets, like you used to be able to do before computers and the internet were invented. That's how old I am. I was racin bikes at 411 Drag Strip (KOTS) before you guys were born, then ran away to Europe to race cars for 10 years, back when there was no speed limit.

If you guys want money for stuntin and Hollywood, fight your tickets, go to law skool and git filthy rich. It aint that hard. Then keep fightin tickets and get these pigs off our backs. Cops are crooks, as I found out when cops and their mafia towtruckers stole 2 of my cars.

Here's some video I shot from KOTS 2009

. But Im too poor to buy pro equipment or a stunt bike cuz I didnt fight my tickets soon enuff.



But winning in traffic court feels like ridin a mile-long wheelie. Here's a prosecutor phoning me to tell me I won a stop sign case without even showing up for trial. Any ticket case can be won, if you try hard enough.

[gixer7fitty]

man, cops down south seem like a bunch of pricks. we find a closed road or empty parking lot here and they sit and watch us while they eat thier donuts... our big problem is cagers not watching for us when summer comes and we get killed or mangled

[nowhere_bound]

Can you catch swine flu from cops?