10 Year Ban For Doing Wheelie - Page 3

metal hed · 11-30-2007, 11:51 PM

I just spent an hour writing this guy a long ass email. Even if this is some publicity stunt stick up for your sport. Regardless of what state you live in the more emails we send him the better. Top right corner after you click his link to email him, but remember even though this guy is an ass, don't get on there talkin shit or he'll just get more of a hard on for stunters. Make common sense points on how rediculous this bill is.

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LTHL6R · 12-01-2007, 06:13 AM

That really is stupid. Wtf, Id rather stunt somewhere where I dont have to worry about getting caught. Theres a HUGE parking lot around here that some semi company owns and theres never anything in it. Maybe me and my buddies can talk to the owner and sign that waiver.

k7-600 · 12-01-2007, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rippedbx

+1 I've always stopped when I got pulled over cuz i didn't want to spend the weekend in jail and pay thousands of dollars in court fines if they got my plates or something. but 10 years?! That would definitely make it worth the risk to run.

if you're wearing a full faced helmet, and/or they cant get a positive ID, like Specific tats, then, getting your license plate is as useless as knowing the color of your bike. Just don't run home to where the bike is registered, go to a friend's house. The cops might show up at your house, but if they do, just tell them you let a couple of friends ride the bike that day, and plead the fifth when they ask you for their names. They can't arrest you for pleading the fifth, and if they don't have a positive ID. So, where a helmet, cover your tats, and be sure to give 'em the finger just before you take off!

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Originally Posted by YellowGixxer

looks like we need to have a ride of the century in florida..so they can't touch anyone...whos down?

+1 I'm down

BOB WITTMAN · 12-01-2007, 10:46 AM

so even if your not a resident will you loose your liscense? MOST PEOPLE DONT HAVE IT ANYWAY!! like you guys said ,now theres no doubt you have to run you have everything to gain!!!!

FrankieG · 12-01-2007, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FrankieG

This is a simple case of a local politician needing his name seen and heard throughout the year prior to election of 08.....This is NEVER going to happen in FL or anywhere else mabee except the F**Ked up state of VA.

No need to even fret for a second! If individuals can't even get this punnishment for a DUI manslaughter...than this is nothing!

I'll reiterate again!!!!! Thius is just a ploy for face time on TV....political capitol here and totally free advertisment!!!

NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!

crashtke · 12-02-2007, 12:53 PM

just sent this letter, we'll see what kind of response I get....

Representative Lopez-Cantera,

I am writing in regards to HB 137. I can see your goal in this bill but I believe that you are going about it the wrong way and trying to target a specific group of people rather than solving a problem. Targeting a specific group of people, in this case what you call stunters, is not going to solve your problem. In this bill it is quite obvious to me the final outcome. More people are going to run and endanger lives rather than get their bike taken and the severe penalties you are calling for. I am sure that your state already has a reckless endangerment ticket or something along those lines. This is easily applied to these sorts of actions. It applies to all motorists on the road and if you want increase the severity of this law rather than trying to single out a group of people.

As for my background, I was a police officer for 5 years in a major metropolitan area. I have worked hundreds of accidents and given my fair share of tickets. I also have been riding sport bikes for the better part of 20 years. To be completely honest I never worked an accident involving a motorcycle as a result of "stunting." The overwhelming majority of motorcycle accidents I worked were of 3 varieties: 1. New motorcycle owners that lost control of their bike in normal riding conditions. 2. Motorcyclist that are driving too fast for the traffic conditions. 3. Motorcyclists struck by other motorists that did not see them or that were following too close (by far the most common). Not once did I ever work an accident because someone was riding a slow controlled wheelie down a street. Not once did I ever work an accident where anyone in another motor vehicle was injured by a motorcyclist. I did, however, work countless accidents involving people in large 8000 lb+ sport utility vehicles such as Hummers, etc where the other party in the accident was severely injured by the large SUV driver who could not control such a large vehicle.

To be completely honest I have taken up stunt riding and have learned a LOT of control in the process of my motorcycle. I feel it has made me a better rider and I feel that in emergency situations on the street I would be better prepared to take evasive actions. If you really are trying to reduce the number of motorcycle related fatalities on the road the first step would be to increase the level of training that motorcyclists are required to receive prior to being fully licensed. Make the motorcycle test a little more demanding. Since going through the emergency vehicle operation training course (which has around a 45% failure rate) I have long thought that increased levels of motor vehicle training would be extremely beneficial as a whole. The current driving tests to be able to drive a small tank on the roads (large SUV's that many drivers just can not control) is just inadequate. From my experience there are many more dangers from these drivers than from real stunters.

I personally keep my stunt riding off the streets primarily, however I still do not believe that a motorcyclist doing a slow controlled 25 mph wheelie on a street where there is no motoring public is endangering himself or anyone else for that matter. In fact people in Corvettes, Porsches and other high performance vehicles exceeding the speed limit and driving recklessly are much more dangerous to themselves and the rest of the motoring public, to include motorcyclists who are just riding the streets legally, than any stunt rider. It comes down to a basic equation of physics: Kinetic Energy = .5 * Mass * Velocity^2 Bikes, while able to gain great amounts of velocity have almost no mass when compared to the average car. As a simple example a sport bike has 1 units of mass and is traveling at 100 mph has a total kinetic energy of 5000 units. A SUV that has 20 units of mass traveling at 50 mph has a total kinetic energy of 25,000 units. It does not take a genius to see that the SUV at 50 mph would have FIVE TIMES the kinetic energy that he bike does and this translates to a much more severe and deadly impact. Now take a sports car with 8.75 units of mass (roughly 3500 lbs when compared to the sport bike's 400lbs) traveling at 100 mph and we have an impact of 43,750 units of kinetic energy!!! Much more dangerous to the motoring public and much more deadly in an impact!! These figures are just examples, but it is easy to see the results.

So if you are really concerned about the motoring public you will abandon this bill and concentrate on other problems. Give stiffer penalties to ALL people that are recklessly endangering the public and don't focus on a specific group of people that are having almost no impact. Could they possibly distract another motorist? I would say much less than the cell phones and gps units they already have in their vehicles. Just because a motorcycle is on one wheel does not mean that it is not in complete control or that it is a danger to other motorists or the stunt rider. Please do some research into this rather than just sponsoring a bill that sounds good. I am also sending this letter to a couple other people.

Thank you for your time. I look forward to an educated and well thought out response.

jacktheripper · 12-02-2007, 05:49 PM

is this for the entire fucking state? or just fucking Miami??????? am i going to have to fucking move out of the fucking state now?

FUCK YOU.

jacktheripper · 12-02-2007, 08:13 PM

what the fuck.

crashtke · 12-02-2007, 08:18 PM

It is being introduced as a bill for the state law of Florida. Time to be articulate and write this guy in mass. If nothing else click on the link and say that you oppose the law. This kind of stuff does spread. Think about the anti-smoking laws that started in California and have spread all over the country.

jordanv3122 · 12-02-2007, 08:34 PM

send the motherfucker a link to this site and show him the difference between stunting and doin wheelies. almost everyone on here has a pic of themselves in a lot. i think we do streetrides to show people what we do and get some attention. btw there is no way this bill will pass anyways. but hey eventually something like it could actually pass because everyday our country gets further and further from being a free country. +1 for ROC in florida. :YEAH :YEAH :YEAH

jacktheripper · 12-02-2007, 08:56 PM

whats the ama 0r what ever the hell there called going to do about it?

jacktheripper · 12-02-2007, 09:08 PM

this thread should be pinned..

if every state does this... this forum will no longer exist.

xxMICKEYxx · 12-02-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jacktheripper

whats the ama 0r what ever the hell there called going to do about it?

probably nothing if they're not making money off it some how.

Ahigh · 12-04-2007, 06:34 PM

I haven't posted for years on this site. I used to be very active in the Bay Area and rode with SBF and Darius back in 2001-2002 time frame.

This is cause for serious mobilization of riders against ignorant people who don't understand motorcycles.

The reality is that anybody on a motorcycle just isn't a normal person. Realize there are seatbelt laws now, and no seatbelts on motorcycles. This is just one step away from making motorcycles completely illegal. The abuse of a law like this could be used to target anyone on a motorcycle being banned.

It's time to get together and form a plan of action to oppose this effort, and counter with proposed legislation of our own.

We already risk our lives against people in cars. We don't need speeding tickets at all. We are self-governing, and generally don't cause fatalities among non-motorcycle riding public. We see our friends getting killed in traffic right in front of us many times. How is it that they think that a 10 year ban could be more of a deterrant than bodily injury to ourselves?

There is a clear disconnect here. If non-motorcyclists make these laws, it's pure and simple discrimination of one culture against another. Motorcyclists, this is a call to unite against the police unfairly jailing and ticketing our culture.

crashtke · 12-04-2007, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahigh

I haven't posted for years on this site. I used to be very active in the Bay Area and rode with SBF and Darius back in 2001-2002 time frame.

This is cause for serious mobilization of riders against ignorant people who don't understand motorcycles.

The reality is that anybody on a motorcycle just isn't a normal person. Realize there are seatbelt laws now, and no seatbelts on motorcycles. This is just one step away from making motorcycles completely illegal. The abuse of a law like this could be used to target anyone on a motorcycle being banned.

It's time to get together and form a plan of action to oppose this effort, and counter with proposed legislation of our own.

We already risk our lives against people in cars. We don't need speeding tickets at all. We are self-governing, and generally don't cause fatalities among non-motorcycle riding public. We see our friends getting killed in traffic right in front of us many times. How is it that they think that a 10 year ban could be more of a deterrant than bodily injury to ourselves?

There is a clear disconnect here. If non-motorcyclists make these laws, it's pure and simple discrimination of one culture against another. Motorcyclists, this is a call to unite against the police unfairly jailing and ticketing our culture.

I agree. Start with a code section making it a severe violation for tailgating a motorcyclist. I am sure I could go on and on.

jordanv3122 · 12-04-2007, 08:15 PM

SPORT RIDER did a piece on this and the guy has some very good shit to back himself up on what he says. he got some good facts and wrote a nice page. CHECK IT OUT FELLAS!

jacktheripper · 12-04-2007, 10:20 PM

going to lose my fucking temper over this fucking nazi bullshit.

12-01-2007, 06:13 AM	#42
LTHL6R Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dearborn, MI Age: 20 Bike: 2007 Zx6r Gender: Male Posts: 47	Re: 10 Year Ban For Doing Wheelie That really is stupid. Wtf, Id rather stunt somewhere where I dont have to worry about getting caught. Theres a HUGE parking lot around here that some semi company owns and theres never anything in it. Maybe me and my buddies can talk to the owner and sign that waiver.

12-01-2007, 10:46 AM	#44
BOB WITTMAN street killa Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Philly,pottstown,quakertown Age: 33 Bike: 08 gixxa 6, 03 gixxer1000 gas tank (pimp edition.) Gender: Male Posts: 1,795	Re: 10 Year Ban For Doing Wheelie so even if your not a resident will you loose your liscense? MOST PEOPLE DONT HAVE IT ANYWAY!! like you guys said ,now theres no doubt you have to run you have everything to gain!!!! __________________ My space bar is my backbrake!!! keyboard stunter at large........

12-02-2007, 12:53 PM	#46
crashtke Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Flowery Branch, GA Age: 33 Bike: 600RR Gender: Male Posts: 209	Re: 10 Year Ban For Doing Wheelie just sent this letter, we'll see what kind of response I get.... Representative Lopez-Cantera, I am writing in regards to HB 137. I can see your goal in this bill but I believe that you are going about it the wrong way and trying to target a specific group of people rather than solving a problem. Targeting a specific group of people, in this case what you call stunters, is not going to solve your problem. In this bill it is quite obvious to me the final outcome. More people are going to run and endanger lives rather than get their bike taken and the severe penalties you are calling for. I am sure that your state already has a reckless endangerment ticket or something along those lines. This is easily applied to these sorts of actions. It applies to all motorists on the road and if you want increase the severity of this law rather than trying to single out a group of people. As for my background, I was a police officer for 5 years in a major metropolitan area. I have worked hundreds of accidents and given my fair share of tickets. I also have been riding sport bikes for the better part of 20 years. To be completely honest I never worked an accident involving a motorcycle as a result of "stunting." The overwhelming majority of motorcycle accidents I worked were of 3 varieties: 1. New motorcycle owners that lost control of their bike in normal riding conditions. 2. Motorcyclist that are driving too fast for the traffic conditions. 3. Motorcyclists struck by other motorists that did not see them or that were following too close (by far the most common). Not once did I ever work an accident because someone was riding a slow controlled wheelie down a street. Not once did I ever work an accident where anyone in another motor vehicle was injured by a motorcyclist. I did, however, work countless accidents involving people in large 8000 lb+ sport utility vehicles such as Hummers, etc where the other party in the accident was severely injured by the large SUV driver who could not control such a large vehicle. To be completely honest I have taken up stunt riding and have learned a LOT of control in the process of my motorcycle. I feel it has made me a better rider and I feel that in emergency situations on the street I would be better prepared to take evasive actions. If you really are trying to reduce the number of motorcycle related fatalities on the road the first step would be to increase the level of training that motorcyclists are required to receive prior to being fully licensed. Make the motorcycle test a little more demanding. Since going through the emergency vehicle operation training course (which has around a 45% failure rate) I have long thought that increased levels of motor vehicle training would be extremely beneficial as a whole. The current driving tests to be able to drive a small tank on the roads (large SUV's that many drivers just can not control) is just inadequate. From my experience there are many more dangers from these drivers than from real stunters. I personally keep my stunt riding off the streets primarily, however I still do not believe that a motorcyclist doing a slow controlled 25 mph wheelie on a street where there is no motoring public is endangering himself or anyone else for that matter. In fact people in Corvettes, Porsches and other high performance vehicles exceeding the speed limit and driving recklessly are much more dangerous to themselves and the rest of the motoring public, to include motorcyclists who are just riding the streets legally, than any stunt rider. It comes down to a basic equation of physics: Kinetic Energy = .5 * Mass * Velocity^2 Bikes, while able to gain great amounts of velocity have almost no mass when compared to the average car. As a simple example a sport bike has 1 units of mass and is traveling at 100 mph has a total kinetic energy of 5000 units. A SUV that has 20 units of mass traveling at 50 mph has a total kinetic energy of 25,000 units. It does not take a genius to see that the SUV at 50 mph would have FIVE TIMES the kinetic energy that he bike does and this translates to a much more severe and deadly impact. Now take a sports car with 8.75 units of mass (roughly 3500 lbs when compared to the sport bike's 400lbs) traveling at 100 mph and we have an impact of 43,750 units of kinetic energy!!! Much more dangerous to the motoring public and much more deadly in an impact!! These figures are just examples, but it is easy to see the results. So if you are really concerned about the motoring public you will abandon this bill and concentrate on other problems. Give stiffer penalties to ALL people that are recklessly endangering the public and don't focus on a specific group of people that are having almost no impact. Could they possibly distract another motorist? I would say much less than the cell phones and gps units they already have in their vehicles. Just because a motorcycle is on one wheel does not mean that it is not in complete control or that it is a danger to other motorists or the stunt rider. Please do some research into this rather than just sponsoring a bill that sounds good. I am also sending this letter to a couple other people. Thank you for your time. I look forward to an educated and well thought out response.

12-02-2007, 05:49 PM	#47
jacktheripper Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: pork Bike: hmm Gender: Male Posts: 315	Re: 10 Year Ban For Doing Wheelie is this for the entire fucking state? or just fucking Miami??????? am i going to have to fucking move out of the fucking state now? FUCK YOU.

12-02-2007, 08:13 PM	#48
jacktheripper Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: pork Bike: hmm Gender: Male Posts: 315	Re: 10 Year Ban For Doing Wheelie what the fuck.

12-02-2007, 08:18 PM	#49
crashtke Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Flowery Branch, GA Age: 33 Bike: 600RR Gender: Male Posts: 209	Re: 10 Year Ban For Doing Wheelie It is being introduced as a bill for the state law of Florida. Time to be articulate and write this guy in mass. If nothing else click on the link and say that you oppose the law. This kind of stuff does spread. Think about the anti-smoking laws that started in California and have spread all over the country.

12-02-2007, 08:34 PM	#50
jordanv3122 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Illinois Bike: 636 Gender: Male Posts: 674	Re: 10 Year Ban For Doing Wheelie send the motherfucker a link to this site and show him the difference between stunting and doin wheelies. almost everyone on here has a pic of themselves in a lot. i think we do streetrides to show people what we do and get some attention. btw there is no way this bill will pass anyways. but hey eventually something like it could actually pass because everyday our country gets further and further from being a free country. +1 for ROC in florida. :YEAH :YEAH :YEAH

12-02-2007, 08:56 PM	#51
jacktheripper Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: pork Bike: hmm Gender: Male Posts: 315	Re: 10 Year Ban For Doing Wheelie whats the ama 0r what ever the hell there called going to do about it?

12-02-2007, 09:08 PM	#52
jacktheripper Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: pork Bike: hmm Gender: Male Posts: 315	Re: 10 Year Ban For Doing Wheelie this thread should be pinned.. if every state does this... this forum will no longer exist.

12-04-2007, 06:34 PM	#54
Ahigh Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: 0,0,0 Age: 40 Bike: 954RR,XR400,Sherco2.9 Gender: Posts: 62	Re: 10 Year Ban For Doing Wheelie I haven't posted for years on this site. I used to be very active in the Bay Area and rode with SBF and Darius back in 2001-2002 time frame. This is cause for serious mobilization of riders against ignorant people who don't understand motorcycles. The reality is that anybody on a motorcycle just isn't a normal person. Realize there are seatbelt laws now, and no seatbelts on motorcycles. This is just one step away from making motorcycles completely illegal. The abuse of a law like this could be used to target anyone on a motorcycle being banned. It's time to get together and form a plan of action to oppose this effort, and counter with proposed legislation of our own. We already risk our lives against people in cars. We don't need speeding tickets at all. We are self-governing, and generally don't cause fatalities among non-motorcycle riding public. We see our friends getting killed in traffic right in front of us many times. How is it that they think that a 10 year ban could be more of a deterrant than bodily injury to ourselves? There is a clear disconnect here. If non-motorcyclists make these laws, it's pure and simple discrimination of one culture against another. Motorcyclists, this is a call to unite against the police unfairly jailing and ticketing our culture.

12-04-2007, 08:15 PM	#56
jordanv3122 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Illinois Bike: 636 Gender: Male Posts: 674	Re: 10 Year Ban For Doing Wheelie SPORT RIDER did a piece on this and the guy has some very good shit to back himself up on what he says. he got some good facts and wrote a nice page. CHECK IT OUT FELLAS!

12-04-2007, 10:20 PM	#57
jacktheripper Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: pork Bike: hmm Gender: Male Posts: 315	Re: 10 Year Ban For Doing Wheelie going to lose my fucking temper over this fucking nazi bullshit.