pic of hand brake , clutch levers setup - Page 2

JohnnyP · 10-09-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mikkee

I'm in love with that thing, though they are pricy, I don't know what I was thinking that day.. they have ones that are cheaper but work the same, just not made out of all billet alum.. Oh well too late now. haha

Not so..
Magura and PVM only make their masters out of 100% billet, Brembo makes them in a cast version($200) and billet($300+)....

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NYstunter636 · 10-09-2007, 08:06 PM

just set it up two seconds ago...use to be shitty....and a bad set up could hold you back so spend time and money to get it right

OneWheelRegulator · 10-09-2007, 08:16 PM

^^^ nice goldwing! lol can you scrape that?

kj · 10-09-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

Not so..
Magura and PVM only make their masters out of 100% billet, Brembo makes them in a cast version($200) and billet($300+)....

Magura makes a forged version as well.... "radial 195 master" series. Their billet versions are "radial 190 master" series.

And brembos are either FORGED or billet.... there's no cast version.

I have that same billet magura clutch master that Mikee has and it is VERY nice.... i like it a lil better than my brembo billet clutch master.

JohnnyP · 10-09-2007, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kj

Magura makes a forged version as well.... "radial 195 master" series. Their billet versions are "radial 190 master" series.

And brembos are either FORGED or billet.... there's no cast version.

I have that same billet magura clutch master that Mikee has and it is VERY nice.... i like it a lil better than my brembo billet clutch master.

Forgin and casting are esentially the same thing, just a differnt term....Wheels are forged, but Ive never heard anyone use forging to describe a maser cylinder.....

Ive never seen a Magura that wasnt billet, any online links to one?

NYstunter636 · 10-09-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dolla

^^^ nice goldwing! lol can you scrape that?

that bike is a beast....it fuckin has arm rests...and by the way it's not mine....

kj · 10-09-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

Forgin and casting are esentially the same thing, just a differnt term....Wheels are forged, but Ive never heard anyone use forging to describe a maser cylinder.....

Ive never seen a Magura that wasnt billet, any online links to one?

Well as far as i understand... casting is when hot molten metal is poured into it's mold and allowed to cool... during cooling, small air pockets can form, which makes cast parts easily breakable.

Forging is when a solid piece of billet is compressed under a high pressure die to form the desired shape... then finish machined.

The forged piece is stronger cause there's no porosity and the grain of the aluminum can be controled.

Billet pieces are just straight up machined from the start w/ no pressure or heat treating involved.

Unfortunately i have no links... but from the Denniskirk cataloge i have it's got both the 190 and 195 masters... and i believe the 195 description says something about "forged and precision machined aluminum".

kj · 10-09-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

Forgin and casting are esentially the same thing, just a differnt term....

Forging is much closer to billet machining... very different from casting.

Kevin ETP · 10-09-2007, 09:13 PM

kj your way too smart

kj · 10-09-2007, 09:16 PM

Thanks Kev... but i do know that Johnny P is a pretty smart guy himself.

JohnnyP · 10-09-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kj

Forging is much closer to billet machining... very different from casting.

Forging and billet are nothing alike at all, not even close....I should know I just did my first day of training on my new $20,000 CAD/CAM software this afternoon.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU32Q6QXtWQ

Forging and casting are much more alike, both use a die to form the shape of the part where as billet maching the parts are cut out of a solid piece using cutters/endmills on a CNC mill.....

With Forging the metal isnt liquid form like casting but glowing and almost molten, it is then pressed a number of times into shape with a dies in a press...
http://www.cinecraft.com/fia/IDP/IDPPLAY.html
With Casting molten metal is poured or injected into a die and pressed to form the shape, but like I said both use a "die" to form the shape...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxDVCzJot7c

Either way it doesnt matter the bore of the master still has to be machined, the is no real advatage that billet will give you....It will be fractionally stronger and higher tolerances but Ive never seen anyone break the body on a forged/cast master....

You could be right about the forging over casting thou, I just didnt think they would forge a master because it doenst need the streght you get from forging...Just like engine covers, valve covers, etc etc casting is more then strong enough for stock parts...FOrging is normally reserved for parts under alot of stress that require strength like rims and chassis parts...

Scott- · 10-09-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mikkee

oooooooo ahhhhhhhhhhh ooooooooooo so sexy

Mikeith · 10-09-2007, 09:38 PM

i love my setup!!! the billet 16x18 clutch master is the sweetest feeling master i've ever felt and bleedig it is cake

punishmentcycle · 10-09-2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeith

i love my setup!!! the billet 16x18 clutch master is the sweetest feeling master i've ever felt and bleedig it is cake

now that looks pimp....i think i might have to see what all the fuss is with those brembo's

Mikeith · 10-09-2007, 10:17 PM

the only way to get a clutch one(bleeder on top, line on bottom) is in billet but it is WELL worth the extra money!!! i couldnt be happier

Johnnie Do · 10-10-2007, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeith

the only way to get a clutch one(bleeder on top, line on bottom) is in billet but it is WELL worth the extra money!!! i couldnt be happier

Yeah i just got mine today, i love it!
I used to have a 16×18 front master upside down but i had problems with it, there was always air coming in.. i think the seals were broken.

Here's the new one:

mikkee · 10-10-2007, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnie Do

Yeah i just got mine today, i love it!
I used to have a 16×18 front master upside down but i had problems with it, there was always air coming in.. i think the seals were broken.

Here's the new one:

what kind of clutch lever is that??

Johnnie Do · 10-10-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mikkee

what kind of clutch lever is that??

Well the brand is "outside" ,never heard of it before.
Found it at a dirtbikeshop here in Holland.
Its the same as the Moose only stronger, the lever actualy fits in a Moose perch.
I like it much more than the moose.

f4ibry · 10-10-2007, 06:17 PM

http://www.stuntlife.com/forums/post...27-post25.html

wish it was a brembo, but this is about as good as it gets w/o one!!!

kj · 10-11-2007, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

Ive never seen a Magura that wasnt billet, any online links to one?

Here you go... i found one....

http://www.spieglerusa.com/cfm/mc_ca.cfm

"The levers, plates and cylinder of the RADIAL 195 are forged parts, and naturally as robust as you would expect from MAGURA. The well-conceived lever kinematics provide the RADIAL 195 with a very long service life."

10-09-2007, 08:06 PM	#22
NYstunter636 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY Age: 23 Bike: 05 636 Gender: Male Posts: 1,451	Re: pic of hand brake , clutch levers setup just set it up two seconds ago...use to be shitty....and a bad set up could hold you back so spend time and money to get it right

10-09-2007, 08:16 PM	#23
OneWheelRegulator Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Longwood, FL www.bmcstuntorlando.com Age: 25 Bike: 06 GSXR1K, 06 CRF88 Gender: Male Posts: 417	Re: pic of hand brake , clutch levers setup ^^^ nice goldwing! lol can you scrape that? __________________ Dolla Dolla Bill Ya'll

10-09-2007, 09:13 PM	#29
Kevin ETP M.A.S.S. MAYHEM 3 OUT NOW Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: MASS MAYHEM Age: 36 Bike: 2002 cbr 600 f4i Gender: Male Posts: 3,223	Re: pic of hand brake , clutch levers setup kj your way too smart

10-09-2007, 09:16 PM	#30
kj Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: South of Boston, 781 Bike: 05 f4i Gender: Male Posts: 2,278	Re: pic of hand brake , clutch levers setup Thanks Kev... but i do know that Johnny P is a pretty smart guy himself.

10-09-2007, 09:38 PM	#33
Mikeith Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lubbock, Tx (home finally!) Age: 25 Bike: 01 f4i*for sale, 06 f4i, 07 CRF250R supermoto Gender: Male Posts: 993	Re: pic of hand brake , clutch levers setup i love my setup!!! the billet 16x18 clutch master is the sweetest feeling master i've ever felt and bleedig it is cake

10-09-2007, 10:17 PM	#35
Mikeith Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lubbock, Tx (home finally!) Age: 25 Bike: 01 f4i*for sale, 06 f4i, 07 CRF250R supermoto Gender: Male Posts: 993	Re: pic of hand brake , clutch levers setup the only way to get a clutch one(bleeder on top, line on bottom) is in billet but it is WELL worth the extra money!!! i couldnt be happier

10-10-2007, 06:17 PM	#39
f4ibry u been huffin? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: SACTOWN,cali Age: 24 Bike: RR Warehouse: 06 1thizzRR/ 05 600RR stunt aparatus Gender: Male Posts: 2,285	Re: pic of hand brake , clutch levers setup http://www.stuntlife.com/forums/post...27-post25.html wish it was a brembo, but this is about as good as it gets w/o one!!!