New Post to "All Stunters Please Read"....

[adamsf]

I just had to start a new thread that’s a contuation of "All stunters read and reply"…
we've debated over this for 7 years back here in St.louis…..
here's my take on it…

You can stop riding streets all together, but riding streets isn't the problem.. it’s the fans and people we influence…that’s the liability…..the problem is this….say a group of 16 year old kids come to watch a stunt show and decide, "man that’s awesome, I want to learn that"…well what are their options?

I would venture to say, in most cases, they'll go out and buy a bike, start riding… guess what, where do they practice..?news flash, but 95% of the public doesn't have access to dragstrips so that leaves only one place for aspiring riders to ride...its not like motorcross where kids watch these guys race and flip, then go buy dirtbikes than practice on dirt in the woods…. the liability of the fans is the biggest concern from a sponsorship perspective….kids riding dirt tracks in the woods are no where close to the liability that kids growing up learning to ride streetbikes are….

our laws are NOT suited to accept people's learning curves on streetbikes… kids riding in the woods and on farms are harmless to others and the public, and from a sponsors view point, the liability is minimal….

bottom line is this, its going to be a major challenge for our sport and potential sponsors on how to approach it from a high level…you'll never eliminate "streetriding"… you'll have guys riding down highways and streets doing wheelies to the end of time which whenever something bad happens, the fingers will point right at the SPORT…

by the way, that post to me looked more like a marketing ploy for the video than a sincere post…..just my two cents...

by the way, watch for C and I 5…. (retarded street footage) :YEAH :YEAH
az

[T-Dubby]

Good post

[FrankieG]

:YEAH

Right On!

[mastermatt50]

Originally Posted by adamsf

I just had to start a new thread that’s a contuation of "All stunters read and reply"…
we've debated over this for 7 years back here in St.louis…..
here's my take on it…

You can stop riding streets all together, but riding streets isn't the problem.. it’s the fans and people we influence…that’s the liability…..the problem is this….say a group of 16 year old kids come to watch a stunt show and decide, "man that’s awesome, I want to learn that"…well what are their options?

I would venture to say, in most cases, they'll go out and buy a bike, start riding… guess what, where do they practice..?news flash, but 95% of the public doesn't have access to dragstrips so that leaves only one place for aspiring riders to ride...its not like motorcross where kids watch these guys race and flip, then go buy dirtbikes than practice on dirt in the woods…. the liability of the fans is the biggest concern from a sponsorship perspective….kids riding dirt tracks in the woods are no where close to the liability that kids growing up learning to ride streetbikes are….

our laws are NOT suited to accept people's learning curves on streetbikes… kids riding in the woods and on farms are harmless to others and the public, and from a sponsors view point, the liability is minimal….

bottom line is this, its going to be a major challenge for our sport and potential sponsors on how to approach it from a high level…you'll never eliminate "streetriding"… you'll have guys riding down highways and streets doing wheelies to the end of time which whenever something bad happens, the fingers will point right at the SPORT…

by the way, that post to me looked more like a marketing ploy for the video than a sincere post…..just my two cents...

by the way, watch for C and I 5…. (retarded street footage) :YEAH :YEAH
az

nuff said





ps az u ready for this weekend :YEAH

[big dave]

"by the way, that post to me looked more like a marketing ploy for the video than a sincere post…..just my two cents...

by the way, watch for C and I 5…. (retarded street footage)
az"



NOW THAT'S FUNNY AS HELL!

[Kaneone]

Originally Posted by adamsf

I just had to start a new thread that’s a contuation of "All stunters read and reply"…
we've debated over this for 7 years back here in St.louis…..
here's my take on it…

You can stop riding streets all together, but riding streets isn't the problem.. it’s the fans and people we influence…that’s the liability…..the problem is this….say a group of 16 year old kids come to watch a stunt show and decide, "man that’s awesome, I want to learn that"…well what are their options?

I would venture to say, in most cases, they'll go out and buy a bike, start riding… guess what, where do they practice..?news flash, but 95% of the public doesn't have access to dragstrips so that leaves only one place for aspiring riders to ride...its not like motorcross where kids watch these guys race and flip, then go buy dirtbikes than practice on dirt in the woods…. the liability of the fans is the biggest concern from a sponsorship perspective….kids riding dirt tracks in the woods are no where close to the liability that kids growing up learning to ride streetbikes are….

our laws are NOT suited to accept people's learning curves on streetbikes… kids riding in the woods and on farms are harmless to others and the public, and from a sponsors view point, the liability is minimal….

bottom line is this, its going to be a major challenge for our sport and potential sponsors on how to approach it from a high level…you'll never eliminate "streetriding"… you'll have guys riding down highways and streets doing wheelies to the end of time which whenever something bad happens, the fingers will point right at the SPORT…

by the way, that post to me looked more like a marketing ploy for the video than a sincere post…..just my two cents...

by the way, watch for C and I 5…. (retarded street footage) :YEAH :YEAH
az

I think your looking too deeply into it, and that the fan liability really plays little role in any opportunity for potential sponsorship.

people watch racers and wreck trying to be nicky hayden in canyons all the time. doesnt mean they point and blame things on racing.

if a kid goes an kills himself doing a wheelie ya we get bad press.. but press is press. death doing what we do as horrible as it is, adds to the mystique danger, and often times interest in this sport.

I've met SEVERAL big motorcycle industry company owners who really enjoy the stunting as it reminds them of a time when racing was more rugged and dangerous. when the athletes didnt have air conditioned 60ft semi trucks to relax in, and pro mean mostly that you had a nicer box van to stuff your junker in then the next guy.

sponsorships... is simply an agreement or eye to eye seeing with an athlete and company or person. every agreement being completely different.

For some motorcycles are interesting because motorcycles are FAST, and they are DANGEROUS!

-Kane

[Jeremy Dutch]

Originally Posted by adamsf

I just had to start a new thread that’s a contuation of "All stunters read and reply"…
we've debated over this for 7 years back here in St.louis…..
here's my take on it…

You can stop riding streets all together, but riding streets isn't the problem.. it’s the fans and people we influence…that’s the liability…..the problem is this….say a group of 16 year old kids come to watch a stunt show and decide, "man that’s awesome, I want to learn that"…well what are their options?

I would venture to say, in most cases, they'll go out and buy a bike, start riding… guess what, where do they practice..?news flash, but 95% of the public doesn't have access to dragstrips so that leaves only one place for aspiring riders to ride...its not like motorcross where kids watch these guys race and flip, then go buy dirtbikes than practice on dirt in the woods…. the liability of the fans is the biggest concern from a sponsorship perspective….kids riding dirt tracks in the woods are no where close to the liability that kids growing up learning to ride streetbikes are….

our laws are NOT suited to accept people's learning curves on streetbikes… kids riding in the woods and on farms are harmless to others and the public, and from a sponsors view point, the liability is minimal….

bottom line is this, its going to be a major challenge for our sport and potential sponsors on how to approach it from a high level…you'll never eliminate "streetriding"… you'll have guys riding down highways and streets doing wheelies to the end of time which whenever something bad happens, the fingers will point right at the SPORT…

by the way, that post to me looked more like a marketing ploy for the video than a sincere post…..just my two cents...

by the way, watch for C and I 5…. (retarded street footage) :YEAH :YEAH
az

when will c and i 5 be out?

[Borne]

Originally Posted by Kaneone

I think your looking too deeply into it, and that the fan liability really plays little role in any opportunity for potential sponsorship.

people watch racers and wreck trying to be nicky hayden in canyons all the time. doesnt mean they point and blame things on racing.

if a kid goes an kills himself doing a wheelie ya we get bad press.. but press is press. death doing what we do as horrible as it is, adds to the mystique danger, and often times interest in this sport.

I've met SEVERAL big motorcycle industry company owners who really enjoy the stunting as it reminds them of a time when racing was more rugged and dangerous. when the athletes didnt have air conditioned 60ft semi trucks to relax in, and pro mean mostly that you had a nicer box van to stuff your junker in then the next guy.

sponsorships... is simply an agreement or eye to eye seeing with an athlete and company or person. every agreement being completely different.

For some motorcycles are interesting because motorcycles are FAST, and they are DANGEROUS!

-Kane

Good counter-point.

I hope someday I can have nice box van to stuff things in. :YEAH

[adamsf]

actually kane,
I think im only skimming the service… you better believe if some multi-million dollar company is going to sponsor you, their going to "look deeply" into where their money is going and what liabilities there are…unfortunately we live in a world right now where companies can't afford to make financial mistakes and short comings with liabilities..

I would almost guarantee you, the type of culture built around stunt riding and that of road-racers are vastly different.. I would
also guarantee you, there's a vastly larger novice/wheelie riding community which grows everyday/year vs. road-racing….
your definetly living in two different realms there...

so what your telling me is, if some kid (our core market being 12-21 give or take a few) watched your show, goes and buys a streetbike, wrecks down the highway, taking out two cars with a family in one and an elderly couple in the other, and Pepsi is your sponsor, Pepsi won't have some concern…? let me tell ya, I work for the largest, most succesfful
marketing company in the world, and it would be a concern…I promise you that….

and yes, you could apply this anology to all sports, but before you post that, let me say, I think we are a very strange sport and its going to take delicate hands and thinking to finesse this out…

im by no means saying major sponsorship like what your referring to is impossible, im just saying extremely challenging and fragile…
obviously there are riders/groups out there doing decent… we're sponsored with new bikes every year,clothing and all that crap.. it’s a major concern at all times….

on top of this, we could start a whole other topic about mainstream audiences understanding what we're doing while pulling off
tricks and wether or not it holds their interest vs. somebody flying 50ft in the air doing double back flip twists or a car going 250 mph...

by the way, your second half of the post lost me….
and who's ready for some street riding…?:YEAH :YEAH
az

[ogjasonisback]

[crtchrktrcr]

great opinions and views..

now send me some stickers...

[Kaneone]

Originally Posted by adamsf

actually kane,
I think im only skimming the service… you better believe if some multi-million dollar company is going to sponsor you, their going to "look deeply" into where their money is going and what liabilities there are…unfortunately we live in a world right now where companies can't afford to make financial mistakes and short comings with liabilities..

I would almost guarantee you, the type of culture built around stunt riding and that of road-racers are vastly different.. I would
also guarantee you, there's a vastly larger novice/wheelie riding community which grows everyday/year vs. road-racing….
your definetly living in two different realms there...

so what your telling me is, if some kid (our core market being 12-21 give or take a few) watched your show, goes and buys a streetbike, wrecks down the highway, taking out two cars with a family in one and an elderly couple in the other, and Pepsi is your sponsor, Pepsi won't have some concern…? let me tell ya, I work for the largest, most succesfful
marketing company in the world, and it would be a concern…I promise you that….

and yes, you could apply this anology to all sports, but before you post that, let me say, I think we are a very strange sport and its going to take delicate hands and thinking to finesse this out…

im by no means saying major sponsorship like what your referring to is impossible, im just saying extremely challenging and fragile…
obviously there are riders/groups out there doing decent… we're sponsored with new bikes every year,clothing and all that crap.. it’s a major concern at all times….

on top of this, we could start a whole other topic about mainstream audiences understanding what we're doing while pulling off
tricks and wether or not it holds their interest vs. somebody flying 50ft in the air doing double back flip twists or a car going 250 mph...

by the way, your second half of the post lost me….
and who's ready for some street riding…?:YEAH :YEAH
az

while on the topic of multi-million dollar companies....

i could name several that have no problems in support very risque sports, promotions or events. regardless of liability...

I can vouche full well that any contracts I have signed (several with multi-million dollar companies) no where do they mention my being held liable for every newbie squid wanting to stuntride.

again i say.. i think your looking too deeply into it, and are really being quite paranoid.

good press, bad press.. its all press.


-Kane

[TheRomanSF415x]

theres a newbie squid out there right now that probably just crashed.

[ogjasonisback]

hell he might even of had on a gay ass pink shirt

[KF_Chris]

Big difference is (when comparing street stunting to agressive "racer" riding) it that you can't really place "blame" or "accountablility" on anyone for trying to ride aggressively on the streets.

Doesn't matter if the influenced person just watched Nicky Hayden or Angel (drag racing chick). Point comes down to the fact that our sport is dangerous, taking that danger and throwing it in the general public's face isn't wise.

The point I'm trying to make is that Camel won't pull the sponsorships on it's pro racers because someone directly said "[sponsored rider's name] won this weekend and I want to be like him." I don't see that happening.

I do, however, see big business not wanting to sponsor riders in our sport because of the things that Adam said, and others. There will always be people agressively riding on the street, and if someone dies....the friends and family might say that "He just bought that Streetfighterz/Starboyz/Kyle Woods... video and he started doing wheelies.

But that's just how I see it, maybe I'm wrong and Kawasaki will be sponsoring someone next year, but it's hard to call.

[mastermatt50]

every 30 sec a squid loses its bike

[Paw Paw]

Originally Posted by mastermatt50

every 30 sec a squid loses its bike

that just means more parts on e-bay. lol

[TheRomanSF415x]

hup someone just crashed

[ogjasonisback]

more parts is a good thing lol we all have been there before.

[Guru]

moms blamed beavis and butthead for stupid shlt. so why cant others??