New Post to "All Stunters Please Read".... - Page 2 - Stunt Discussion

GSE Nick · 07-14-2006, 09:08 PM

ride for the hell of it.....who cares if it doesn't go big...ill be old man by then lol. don't hold your breath and don't quit your day job

there's no room right now for another big sport like this one. tring to organise thousands of stunt riders around the world is a HUGE challenge. sponsors even tho they think our sport is cool and fun to watch, its just not organised enough yet to contribute big sponsorships. we still don't get big enough spot lite time( like on tv and etc) to get a high enough advertising curve

and what separates the classes of riders? i seen guys way better than some of some top riders at a comp i was just at and they didnt even qualify? whys that? look who's running some of these things that we attend. like Jason pullen not qualifing at SW? maybe im just crazy

maybe one of us will hit the lottery and make this thing happen cause its gonna take a ton of money

DWJmoto · 07-14-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by crtchrktrcr

great opinions and views..

now send me some stickers...

Stickers? I want some.

TheRomanSF415x · 07-14-2006, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GSE Nick

ride for the hell of it.....who cares if it doesn't go big...ill be old man by then lol. don't hold your breath and don't quit your day job

there's no room right now for another big sport like this one. tring to organise thousands of stunt riders around the world is a HUGE challenge. sponsors even tho they think our sport is cool and fun to watch, its just not organised enough yet to contribute big sponsorships. we still don't get big enough spot lite time( like on tv and etc) to get a high enough advertising curve

and what separates the classes of riders? i seen guys way better than some of some top riders at a comp i was just at and they didnt even qualify? whys that? look who's running some of these things that we attend. like Jason pullen not qualifing at SW? maybe im just crazy

maybe one of us will hit the lottery and make this thing happen cause its gonna take a ton of money

good post man...

forget the stunt politics and think about the bigger picture $$$$$$$$$$$, hoes, and clothes people haha.

ya pullen not qualifying at SW was something how can you not have him qualify the guys an original and busts out all the newest tricks

dcpstunter · 07-14-2006, 11:24 PM

cant wait to c CandI5 and this might be a long shot but how about trying to make it legal maybe you could get a special license or something to prove you have control instead of being wreckless and the states could make money off that just a thought cause your right the streets will never go away.

Shawn_PBZ · 07-14-2006, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dcpstunter

cant wait to c CandI5 and this might be a long shot but how about trying to make it legal maybe you could get a special license or something to prove you have control instead of being wreckless and the states could make money off that just a thought cause your right the streets will never go away.

that could never happen, for the simple fact, i don't care how good you are on a bike, skilled to no end. If your doing anything whats so ever odd on the streets that gives off attention, someone somehow is going to make it negative or want to see that person, getting stopped/arrested for basically poping a simple wheelie in town or wherever

Stunter-X · 07-14-2006, 11:53 PM

Sportbike Racing is a sport becasue that was what sport motorcycles were designed to do BE FAST. And everyone that has ever owned one, that was the reason they got it whether they admit it or not. From my experiences only about 1% of the sportbike community actually stunt. So you're taking a very small percentage of a sport (racing) that sometimes gets aired on speedvision. Sports get big because a lot of people do them. My

is that it will only get big if more and more people start stunting. I really don't care if it gets big, I'll still do what I do and it will always impress someone.

Hondafan · 07-15-2006, 12:05 AM

sponsoring sportbike riders is only slightly more dangerous then sponsoring other "x" sports and whatnot just because of the impact some rider could have on other people, but that is true for some of the other sports. (even snowboarding or skateboarding has a certain risk to other people).

i think the real problem would be one, with the fact that sportbike stunting just isnt as cool to a lot of people compared to say, freestyle motorcross. (I dont believe that will play a big factor in the end but that is a valid point).

the other one that was pointed out is the differance in culture (between stunting and racing). thats an interesting point because it means that companies might not have a problem sponsoring the sport of stunting but might have a problem with the people that do it. i think that is a good point because there has to be liability for roadracing sponsors too right? if a kid see his favorite racer and falls in love, whats stoppping him from pretending the streets are laguna seca?

that means the companies may feel that the person who stunts is more of a liability then the person who races. if that really is the case that would probably be our fault.

anyway, sorry for the long post, but i think that liability is probably not the biggest problem for getting sponsors in the sport.

ps. i'm a relative noob so take what i say with a grain of salt.

jayrizo · 07-15-2006, 12:11 AM

everything has some sort of bad immage attached to it
there are tons of riders that are broke because of this sport but they still ride
sure a few riders get sponsors and free shit but most riders still ride even though they dont have support

Ryan S · 07-15-2006, 02:09 AM

great post adam, same with kane.....good points, no drama....very nice!!!

we all do this "sport" as a hobby, once it turns into a "job" you might as well hang up the gloves and helmet.....i look at each show we do as a GREAT experience.....drag racing events for example....you get to get right into the behind the scenes crap.....same with monster truck shows, nascar events, ama races, moto gp races....blah blah blah....it's the experience that is worth way more than money, i know that's why i do it, i enjoy traveling, meeting new people and promoting our sport......some day it will end up in the x-games...i strongly believe in that....i also believe that a large amount of people will be left behind in the dust (it's happening already) fan's like certain people not because of their riding, but their "style" and appearance.........most people watching nascar pick drivers that have "cool" looking cars......some day it will be the same with us....i hope.

don't get me wrong, i still like riding on the streets, it's only a matter of time before china streets are going to get a good dose of american stunting LOL

HRC · 07-15-2006, 06:21 AM

IMO, big time companies will be hesitant on sponsoring "sportbike" riders who participate in ILLEGAL activities such as highway stunting. Can you blame them??????? Racetracks are one thing....it's racing, it's legal, fast and fun. The only way big time companies are going to get involved in stunting is when it hits the X games. PERIOD!!!!!!! They don't care about you and your buddies in a parking lot and they surely do not want to be associated with criminal acts such as street freestyle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's so simple.

DURTY-636 · 07-15-2006, 07:38 AM

HRC · 07-15-2006, 09:15 AM

I'd also like to add that for the very reasons that big time sponsors shy away are the reasons that make highway stunting exciting. I would buy a DVD full of highway and street 10 times over before I would buy a competion/parking lot video full of the greatest riders in the world. Street and highway is where it's at for 90% of fans. It's raw. It's fast. It's a billion times more exciting to watch. That's why the Streetfighterz are so successful. They found the right formula years ago. Street and highway cut to insane soundtracks. The underground is where that aspect of the sport will ALWAYS stay. Pepsi ain't gonna support the high chair down Interstate FTP. **** em....I don't drink pepsi anyway!

PETe P · 07-15-2006, 09:15 AM

I don't see the people crashing as the liability, to sponsors and investors. It's part of the game. What i do see is the street sessions as a liability, don't get me wrong i love watchin street sessions, thats how this thing got started and it's fun to watch.
With the eventual signing of big name sponsors to certain big name riders, will come the death of the street session. That is there biggest liability and hang up on the sport, it's not the pink(no disrespect), the tattoos, colored hair and piercings. in fact all of those things make you more marketable.
It's that "hey i saw so and so in the paper the other day he got 3 reckless drivings a felony evading and caused a 6 car pile up". Thats when the sponsors start pullin out because they don't want to be attached to felony charges, they want the bad boy image without the bad rep.

Point is when you sign on the dotted line there is gonna be small print about no street riding. Sponsors want puppets and poster children.

p.s. this is for sponsors that don't really know the sport, gatorade, pepsi, moutain dew etc.

PETe P · 07-15-2006, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by HRC

I'd also like to add that for the very reasons that big time sponsors shy away are the reasons that make highway stunting exciting. I would buy a DVD full of highway and street 10 times over before I would buy a competion/parking lot video full of the greatest riders in the world. Street and highway is where it's at for 90% of fans. It's raw. It's fast. It's a billion times more exciting to watch. That's why the Streetfighterz are so successful. They found the right formula years ago. Street and highway cut to insane soundtracks. The underground is where that aspect of the sport will ALWAYS stay. Pepsi ain't gonna support the high chair down Interstate FTP. **** em....I don't drink pepsi anyway!

damnit you beat me to it i was typin when you posted........

excessa · 07-15-2006, 01:57 PM

Haven't read the whole thread but there are sanctions against getting into trouble with the law in almost any professional sport. When it becomes mainstream to the point of having some sort of presence in a certain percentage of households, you become a method of marketing.

In the beginning you're a marketing risk, and certain liabilities are tolerated because you are developing a fan base on your appeal. Once the sport has developed a cachet of it's own, the professionals in that sport are considered "role models" and then you are under the microscope. Sponsors, knowing this, will begin to limit your activities by revamping contracts. It's all relative to the amount of money you are costing and the amount of revenue you generate, which is all commensurate with how much attention you attract.

So early on, they'll put up with you waving your **** at nuns if it gets attention. Once you're established, and bankable? Bet me they don't protect the investment, I'm feeling lucky. The difference is, once you're a celebrity, no part of your private life is private. When you're still just well known within your own industry, you get known by doing the stuff they won't let you do later.

Wow, I can't say the "d" word here? But it's my favorite!

excessa · 07-15-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Spot

damnit you beat me to it i was typin when you posted........

It would probably be more exciting to watch snuff films than to watch Mel Gibson pretend to get killed, but the tolerances of the industry aren't set on what is truly edgy, just the illusion of that edge, usually. The obsession with riders and extreme sports is exceptional in a sense, it's a regression back toward actual danger in an overly homogenized society.

But mainstream media will not openly endorse street stunting. They'll make some horrible choreographed movie pantomiming street stunting.

I have to stop before I begin to hate the media and am forced to find a new job.

PETe P · 07-15-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by excessa

It would probably be more exciting to watch snuff films than to watch Mel Gibson pretend to get killed, but the tolerances of the industry aren't set on what is truly edgy, just the illusion of that edge, usually. The obsession with riders and extreme sports is exceptional in a sense, it's a regression back toward actual danger in an overly homogenized society.

But mainstream media will not openly endorse street stunting. They'll make some horrible choreographed movie pantomiming street stunting.

I have to stop before I begin to hate the media and am forced to find a new job.

you really don't have to blow yourself up here.......it's stuntlife.

excessa · 07-15-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Spot

you really don't have to blow yourself up here.......it's stuntlife.

I wasn't. I was agreeing with you, but saying unfortunately the rest of the world has to get on too. The snuff film thing was just an exaggerated way to make a point. The point being you're right, it is more exciting with an element of danger, but mainstream media is all about the illusion of danger.

I wasn't trying to make anything out of myself, you guys are the ones with the skills here. I bring up my small fish media affiliation because it's my only reason for being here, not something to brag on. Everyone I know from here is better known than I am.

DoodleF4i · 07-15-2006, 03:09 PM

HRC has all the right answers

eazenutz33 · 07-16-2006, 05:16 AM

I think HRC, Excessa, Kane, and AZ all have valueable ponts and somewhere in the mix is where you'll find the right answer!

You can't really cmpare FMX to sportbike stunting........FMX ORIGNATED in the dirt, they practice in the dirt, and the perform in the dirt for comps and shows.

Our "sport", if you wanna call it that, originated(at least in the US) in the streets as an illegal activity(starboyz, lvx, streetfighterz, drew stones first vids), and has grown as a result of videos of people performing these illegal activities, and from people who have seen them done and want to be able to do that(people will emulate what they've seen the same way they've seen it, so they see street riding, they street ride!)). Stunters have been slowing tricks down and moving to the lot, and in turn, the fans who have seen you at the lot....they have gotten cages and bars and try to start in the lot and only move to the streets when/if you say its in or cool.They're the new breed of stunters, never learned a wheelie on the highway until they could ride idle or cut circles. But for the public, imagine selling videos of nothing but lot footage, the lot can get real boring, real quick for me, imagine someone who hasn't been around the sport and they see everyone going 5mph in a circle......their favorite tricks are gonna be coasters and endoes.....at least you get some speed up there!

You wanna make a good living off this "sport"?(not talking about enough to "get by" I'm talking retire at 40 money when your "prime" is about up like the "real" sports out there) , you're gonna have to make a decision. If people are gonna want to have bigtime sponsors, with big (comparatively) contracts they are going to have to give up riding on the street all together! Or they are gonna have to try and get their bread and butter from the videos they make while doing this still illegal, and always will be, activity!

/\ in that we CAN compare streetbike racing to stunt riding. If Valentino Rossi or Nicky Hayden were caught speeding excessively, or road racing on open streets you better bet they instantly become a liability rick for their sponsors. Cause Joe Squid is gonna see how Nicky Hayden was "arrested for riding at speeds above 160mph and also ticketed for racing on public streets" whats Joe Squid gonna think........"if I wanna be that good and make money on a motorcycle, I'll race on the streets and go really fast on the street too"

It doesn't work that way for racers, if you wanna race, you gotta go and get a track liscense, you have to have bodywork made to contain so much oil, your bolts have to be wired to the bike, you have to have a steering stabilizer,......all these things you must have.....and only a few that you CAN change to remain in certain classes...like today I discovered you CANNOT run aftermarket rotors on your bike if you want to race in the SuperStock racing class.....you can change pads, and lines....thats it!

Same thing here, we see people who go to comps and compete as "professional stunt riders", yet they go out on the street and stunt up the street.....well, now you're a professional criminal (just like me and 99% of the people on here who have been heavily ticketed and arrested on several occasions.)

I guarantee you if a major corporation decides to sponsor a sportbike freestylists it WILL have in the contract how you would be expected to NOT RIDE on public streets, let alone stunt on them.

And Kane is right, it won't say a word about YOU being responsible for Joe Squid wrecking his bike or killing himself on it,......they've already covered that by saying you are not to be on the streets, cause once you do.....sponsorship and their affialiation with you is GONE!

Here's what it would take for this sport to really be taken seriously........tell me if you think its worth it?.........
1)NO MORE STREETRIDING....no wheelies on the street, no street videos, can't even appear on the street in a street video!
2)organize the sport.....no more starboyz comp, no stuntwars, no stuntlife comp.....would have to have a U.S. wide community like A.M.A. with a point type system and events around the country spread out over dates where individual prizes can be won, then an overall "cup" or something for being the top stunter in the nation
3)Rules, Guidleine, Classes.
-600's and 750's/1000's split in classes with seperate comps, and seperate cups and prize values
-what mods are ok, and whats "cheating"...NOS?... dirtbike bars?....flipped, turned, and swapped clip-ons?....flat bar vs. round bar vs. no bar......
-rules for tricks.....touching feet on the ground cost points?.....sliders/cage/pegs touch ground cost points?.......do you have to have a routine set out before hand and do you lose poits for not doing each trick in your routine?

Would it be worth it really.......I would never buy a stunt vid again! And would prolly be seen as the criminal side of the sport!

07-14-2006, 09:08 PM	#21
GSE Nick www.meatspin.com Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: some random mint ass parking lot on sunday (DE) Age: Bike: 636 Gender: Male Posts: 4,374	Re: New Post to "All Stunters Please Read".... ride for the hell of it.....who cares if it doesn't go big...ill be old man by then lol. don't hold your breath and don't quit your day job there's no room right now for another big sport like this one. tring to organise thousands of stunt riders around the world is a HUGE challenge. sponsors even tho they think our sport is cool and fun to watch, its just not organised enough yet to contribute big sponsorships. we still don't get big enough spot lite time( like on tv and etc) to get a high enough advertising curve and what separates the classes of riders? i seen guys way better than some of some top riders at a comp i was just at and they didnt even qualify? whys that? look who's running some of these things that we attend. like Jason pullen not qualifing at SW? maybe im just crazy maybe one of us will hit the lottery and make this thing happen cause its gonna take a ton of money __________________ www.racing905.com www.TOCC.biz www.AtTheGspot.com www.vortexracing.com www.engineice.com www.evanscooling.com "And to all the girls in my life that i've been with, i love you- thankyou" Last edited by GSE Nick : 07-14-2006 at 09:19 PM.

07-14-2006, 11:24 PM	#24
dcpstunter Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Mexico Age: Bike: 05 gsxr Gender: Male Posts: 21	Re: New Post to "All Stunters Please Read".... cant wait to c CandI5 and this might be a long shot but how about trying to make it legal maybe you could get a special license or something to prove you have control instead of being wreckless and the states could make money off that just a thought cause your right the streets will never go away.

07-14-2006, 11:53 PM	#26
Stunter-X Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Age: Bike: R6 Gender: Male Posts: 91	Re: New Post to "All Stunters Please Read".... Sportbike Racing is a sport becasue that was what sport motorcycles were designed to do BE FAST. And everyone that has ever owned one, that was the reason they got it whether they admit it or not. From my experiences only about 1% of the sportbike community actually stunt. So you're taking a very small percentage of a sport (racing) that sometimes gets aired on speedvision. Sports get big because a lot of people do them. My is that it will only get big if more and more people start stunting. I really don't care if it gets big, I'll still do what I do and it will always impress someone.

07-15-2006, 12:05 AM	#27
Hondafan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: honolulu, HI Age: 27 Bike: 2 929's Gender: Male Posts: 496	Re: New Post to "All Stunters Please Read".... sponsoring sportbike riders is only slightly more dangerous then sponsoring other "x" sports and whatnot just because of the impact some rider could have on other people, but that is true for some of the other sports. (even snowboarding or skateboarding has a certain risk to other people). i think the real problem would be one, with the fact that sportbike stunting just isnt as cool to a lot of people compared to say, freestyle motorcross. (I dont believe that will play a big factor in the end but that is a valid point). the other one that was pointed out is the differance in culture (between stunting and racing). thats an interesting point because it means that companies might not have a problem sponsoring the sport of stunting but might have a problem with the people that do it. i think that is a good point because there has to be liability for roadracing sponsors too right? if a kid see his favorite racer and falls in love, whats stoppping him from pretending the streets are laguna seca? that means the companies may feel that the person who stunts is more of a liability then the person who races. if that really is the case that would probably be our fault. anyway, sorry for the long post, but i think that liability is probably not the biggest problem for getting sponsors in the sport. ps. i'm a relative noob so take what i say with a grain of salt.

07-15-2006, 12:11 AM	#28
jayrizo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: O-town Age: 23 Bike: dans sloppy 2nds, a 05 750, 06 600rr Gender: Male Posts: 856	Re: New Post to "All Stunters Please Read".... everything has some sort of bad immage attached to it there are tons of riders that are broke because of this sport but they still ride sure a few riders get sponsors and free shit but most riders still ride even though they dont have support

07-15-2006, 02:09 AM	#29
Ryan S Group Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: milton, wi Age: 27 Bike: 04 gt40 636 Gender: Male Posts: 10,084	Re: New Post to "All Stunters Please Read".... great post adam, same with kane.....good points, no drama....very nice!!! we all do this "sport" as a hobby, once it turns into a "job" you might as well hang up the gloves and helmet.....i look at each show we do as a GREAT experience.....drag racing events for example....you get to get right into the behind the scenes crap.....same with monster truck shows, nascar events, ama races, moto gp races....blah blah blah....it's the experience that is worth way more than money, i know that's why i do it, i enjoy traveling, meeting new people and promoting our sport......some day it will end up in the x-games...i strongly believe in that....i also believe that a large amount of people will be left behind in the dust (it's happening already) fan's like certain people not because of their riding, but their "style" and appearance.........most people watching nascar pick drivers that have "cool" looking cars......some day it will be the same with us....i hope. don't get me wrong, i still like riding on the streets, it's only a matter of time before china streets are going to get a good dose of american stunting LOL __________________ EVS FMF Bitubo Amsoil Throttle Threads Z1R Endless Performance Full Throttle Inc Thrust moto-madness.com EK Race Chains Ogio Pingel Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall. -- Confucius

07-15-2006, 06:21 AM	#30
HRC Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 34 Bike: 600RR Gender: Male Posts: 114	Re: New Post to "All Stunters Please Read".... IMO, big time companies will be hesitant on sponsoring "sportbike" riders who participate in ILLEGAL activities such as highway stunting. Can you blame them??????? Racetracks are one thing....it's racing, it's legal, fast and fun. The only way big time companies are going to get involved in stunting is when it hits the X games. PERIOD!!!!!!! They don't care about you and your buddies in a parking lot and they surely do not want to be associated with criminal acts such as street freestyle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's so simple.

07-15-2006, 07:38 AM	#31
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07-15-2006, 09:15 AM	#32
HRC Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 34 Bike: 600RR Gender: Male Posts: 114	Re: New Post to "All Stunters Please Read".... I'd also like to add that for the very reasons that big time sponsors shy away are the reasons that make highway stunting exciting. I would buy a DVD full of highway and street 10 times over before I would buy a competion/parking lot video full of the greatest riders in the world. Street and highway is where it's at for 90% of fans. It's raw. It's fast. It's a billion times more exciting to watch. That's why the Streetfighterz are so successful. They found the right formula years ago. Street and highway cut to insane soundtracks. The underground is where that aspect of the sport will ALWAYS stay. Pepsi ain't gonna support the high chair down Interstate FTP. **** em....I don't drink pepsi anyway!

07-15-2006, 09:15 AM	#33
PETe P Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North Tonawanda, NY Age: 28 Bike: 05 gsxr 600 Gender: Male Posts: 1,487	Re: New Post to "All Stunters Please Read".... I don't see the people crashing as the liability, to sponsors and investors. It's part of the game. What i do see is the street sessions as a liability, don't get me wrong i love watchin street sessions, thats how this thing got started and it's fun to watch. With the eventual signing of big name sponsors to certain big name riders, will come the death of the street session. That is there biggest liability and hang up on the sport, it's not the pink(no disrespect), the tattoos, colored hair and piercings. in fact all of those things make you more marketable. It's that "hey i saw so and so in the paper the other day he got 3 reckless drivings a felony evading and caused a 6 car pile up". Thats when the sponsors start pullin out because they don't want to be attached to felony charges, they want the bad boy image without the bad rep. Point is when you sign on the dotted line there is gonna be small print about no street riding. Sponsors want puppets and poster children. p.s. this is for sponsors that don't really know the sport, gatorade, pepsi, moutain dew etc.

07-15-2006, 01:57 PM	#35
excessa Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: BFE, MD Age: 39 Bike: YZ 250 Gender: Female Posts: 3,270	Re: New Post to "All Stunters Please Read".... Haven't read the whole thread but there are sanctions against getting into trouble with the law in almost any professional sport. When it becomes mainstream to the point of having some sort of presence in a certain percentage of households, you become a method of marketing. In the beginning you're a marketing risk, and certain liabilities are tolerated because you are developing a fan base on your appeal. Once the sport has developed a cachet of it's own, the professionals in that sport are considered "role models" and then you are under the microscope. Sponsors, knowing this, will begin to limit your activities by revamping contracts. It's all relative to the amount of money you are costing and the amount of revenue you generate, which is all commensurate with how much attention you attract. So early on, they'll put up with you waving your **** at nuns if it gets attention. Once you're established, and bankable? Bet me they don't protect the investment, I'm feeling lucky. The difference is, once you're a celebrity, no part of your private life is private. When you're still just well known within your own industry, you get known by doing the stuff they won't let you do later. Wow, I can't say the "d" word here? But it's my favorite! __________________ time is the greatest teacher, too bad it kills all it's students Last edited by excessa : 07-15-2006 at 02:04 PM.

07-15-2006, 03:09 PM	#39
DoodleF4i I Enjoy Posting At StuntLife! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: St.louis Age: 21 Bike: SOLD Gender: Male Posts: 4,600	Re: New Post to "All Stunters Please Read".... HRC has all the right answers

07-16-2006, 05:16 AM	#40
eazenutz33 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ....... Age: 25 Bike: ............ Gender: Male Posts: 3,507	Re: New Post to "All Stunters Please Read".... I think HRC, Excessa, Kane, and AZ all have valueable ponts and somewhere in the mix is where you'll find the right answer! You can't really cmpare FMX to sportbike stunting........FMX ORIGNATED in the dirt, they practice in the dirt, and the perform in the dirt for comps and shows. Our "sport", if you wanna call it that, originated(at least in the US) in the streets as an illegal activity(starboyz, lvx, streetfighterz, drew stones first vids), and has grown as a result of videos of people performing these illegal activities, and from people who have seen them done and want to be able to do that(people will emulate what they've seen the same way they've seen it, so they see street riding, they street ride!)). Stunters have been slowing tricks down and moving to the lot, and in turn, the fans who have seen you at the lot....they have gotten cages and bars and try to start in the lot and only move to the streets when/if you say its in or cool.They're the new breed of stunters, never learned a wheelie on the highway until they could ride idle or cut circles. But for the public, imagine selling videos of nothing but lot footage, the lot can get real boring, real quick for me, imagine someone who hasn't been around the sport and they see everyone going 5mph in a circle......their favorite tricks are gonna be coasters and endoes.....at least you get some speed up there! You wanna make a good living off this "sport"?(not talking about enough to "get by" I'm talking retire at 40 money when your "prime" is about up like the "real" sports out there) , you're gonna have to make a decision. If people are gonna want to have bigtime sponsors, with big (comparatively) contracts they are going to have to give up riding on the street all together! Or they are gonna have to try and get their bread and butter from the videos they make while doing this still illegal, and always will be, activity! /\ in that we CAN compare streetbike racing to stunt riding. If Valentino Rossi or Nicky Hayden were caught speeding excessively, or road racing on open streets you better bet they instantly become a liability rick for their sponsors. Cause Joe Squid is gonna see how Nicky Hayden was "arrested for riding at speeds above 160mph and also ticketed for racing on public streets" whats Joe Squid gonna think........"if I wanna be that good and make money on a motorcycle, I'll race on the streets and go really fast on the street too" It doesn't work that way for racers, if you wanna race, you gotta go and get a track liscense, you have to have bodywork made to contain so much oil, your bolts have to be wired to the bike, you have to have a steering stabilizer,......all these things you must have.....and only a few that you CAN change to remain in certain classes...like today I discovered you CANNOT run aftermarket rotors on your bike if you want to race in the SuperStock racing class.....you can change pads, and lines....thats it! Same thing here, we see people who go to comps and compete as "professional stunt riders", yet they go out on the street and stunt up the street.....well, now you're a professional criminal (just like me and 99% of the people on here who have been heavily ticketed and arrested on several occasions.) I guarantee you if a major corporation decides to sponsor a sportbike freestylists it WILL have in the contract how you would be expected to NOT RIDE on public streets, let alone stunt on them. And Kane is right, it won't say a word about YOU being responsible for Joe Squid wrecking his bike or killing himself on it,......they've already covered that by saying you are not to be on the streets, cause once you do.....sponsorship and their affialiation with you is GONE! Here's what it would take for this sport to really be taken seriously........tell me if you think its worth it?......... 1)NO MORE STREETRIDING....no wheelies on the street, no street videos, can't even appear on the street in a street video! 2)organize the sport.....no more starboyz comp, no stuntwars, no stuntlife comp.....would have to have a U.S. wide community like A.M.A. with a point type system and events around the country spread out over dates where individual prizes can be won, then an overall "cup" or something for being the top stunter in the nation 3)Rules, Guidleine, Classes. -600's and 750's/1000's split in classes with seperate comps, and seperate cups and prize values -what mods are ok, and whats "cheating"...NOS?... dirtbike bars?....flipped, turned, and swapped clip-ons?....flat bar vs. round bar vs. no bar...... -rules for tricks.....touching feet on the ground cost points?.....sliders/cage/pegs touch ground cost points?.......do you have to have a routine set out before hand and do you lose poits for not doing each trick in your routine? Would it be worth it really.......I would never buy a stunt vid again! And would prolly be seen as the criminal side of the sport!