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| View Poll Results: 12'S, GOOD OR BAD FOR THE SPORT? | |||
| GOOD |    | 204 | 67.11% |
| BAD |    | 25 | 8.22% |
| HAVEN'T GOTTIN IT YET |    | 59 | 19.41% |
| OLD HAT'S FOR ME |    | 16 | 5.26% |
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02-07-2003, 02:02 PM
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| Liv fr PEACE prpre fr WAR   Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: . Age: 29 Bike: cbr f4(no I) Gender: Male
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 | ok..now i voted bad on this one....because the question was if "12's are good or bad for the..........SPORT."...now by sport i assume that u mean what audience intrest is..since all sports r watched....this was discussed b4 in the post where it was asked if street freestyle or fmx was better...and if i remember correctley alot of people said that stunntin dosent have the audience because it is "slowing" down and people wanna see all the fast ass dangerous kill yourself shit.....which i also feel that is how the public is...lol sad but true...so in asking if this is good for the sport i defintaley say no...is it a good stunt?....fuck yeah i love seein 12s......their phat as hell and even though i cant do them......yet...i still have some idea the kind of skill and balance it takes to execute them...where as the public who watch the sport have no idea......course thats just my opinion  |
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02-07-2003, 02:19 PM
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| Registered User   Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: STUNTERS.COM Age: 32 Bike: 01 F4i, 02 F4i, '99 ZFiddy Gender: Male
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| So, I guess everyone agrees with my earlier comments, I was never try to bash 12 oclock wheelies. BROCK, Let's hear your opinion on this subject....
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02-07-2003, 02:21 PM
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| I Enjoy Posting At StuntLife!   Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Chicago Age: 26 Bike: CBR1000RR, 04 YZ450F, $5k PITBIKE, '05 ZUMA 60mph & mpg+, '82 MB5, '66 CB160 Gender: Male
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| as a rider 12's are almost addicting. they are very challenging and rewarding, AND YOU USUALLY DONT GET HURT WHEN THEY GO WRONG. personally they have helped me slow down my wheelies all together, which makes me more confident and consistent, which is what this sport is all about. plus you can literally wheelie anything once you dial in brake control. 12 o clock 4 life 
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02-07-2003, 02:36 PM
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  Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 37 Bike: don't wanna give those bastards free press Gender: Male
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| 12's are a natural progression of the sport, but we need to make sure it doesn't turn into a regression of the sport. Everyone asks what makes a stunna? Well it comes from the word stunter. Stunters are guys who risk life and limb for the entertainment of others. So what happens if a 12 goes wrong? You put your foot down and hope you don't break a nail. To keep the sport moving we need to keep the spectators interested, because without them there's no sport. 12's are the hardest trick to do but they're also the safest, and the crowd knows this. They may respect the skill it takes but it doesn't keep their interest. The reason extreme sports have become so popular is the holy shit factor. All the other extreme sports are becoming more dangerous while ours is becoming safer. How is that gonna draw crowds. Whether its your "style" or not, the top riders better start taking chances. Thank you for trying out, the exits on your right. Thew
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02-07-2003, 03:20 PM
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| Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: STUNTERS.COM Age: 32 Bike: 01 F4i, 02 F4i, '99 ZFiddy Gender: Male
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| I think Thew and I are on the same boat. Crowds and fans also love the acrobatic stunts performed... Hey Thew, I need some lessons.
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02-07-2003, 03:39 PM
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| I Enjoy Posting At StuntLife! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: tampa Age: 29 Bike: ... Gender: Male
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| From a pure spectator point of view, I think it depends on what you do with the 12 o’clock wheelie. If you just pull it up, hit tail, and put it down it’s going to get old quick. But when you see people drag the tail/bar while doing other things its cooler to watch. I mean watching Rick from PBR and Prozak from Reckless Methods drag the bar to see who could get the furthest was cool to watch. As long as people add something to the 12 o’clock wheelie it will be cool to watch. But just watching someone scrape and ride off, the sport will begin to lose spectator interest. thats just my .02.
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02-07-2003, 03:47 PM
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| florida! finally  Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: clearwater fl Age: 26 Bike: only the sv now Gender: Male
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You dont have a clue! Do you have any common sense at all? Hey everybody!! take off your scrape bar and sprockets, frame slider and go stunt!! I'm a dipshit!!! Do you know what would happen to a bike that scraped all the time with no bar? Lets gear our bikes down in the rear and ride SLOW wheelies? Do you have a high school diploma? Do you think you are a thug? SHUT UP! You are a total dumbshit Learn how to spell and speak english correctly
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02-07-2003, 04:27 PM
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| Registered User  Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: 9se7en3, Morris Plains, Jerzey Age: 28 Bike: '98 CBR 900RR/ '03 XR 50 Gender:
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 12s are good for the sport because it adds another variation to the show.
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02-07-2003, 04:31 PM
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| *#%@!  Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: MI Age: 33 Bike: f4i Gender: Male
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 | the other day me and my girls 16 year old brother watched a vid and someone did an ape hanger and he asked if the guy messed something up, but a couple minutes later someone did a christ and he was so impressed and kept saying how crazy that was. But that came from somebody that has no clue about riding motorcycles (spectator).
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02-07-2003, 04:36 PM
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| Gas'er!!  Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: from the East to the West Age: 30 Bike: BMW F800s Gender: Male
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all effing gearing does is make the bike come up easier and faster, doesnt make you be able to do 'em.... you lose your gearing and do some fly bys past those with gearing and lose the bar too so you cant do other tricks... i think it took chauncey like...hmmm, lemme think: 15 minutes on stock gearing to scrape.... 12's=OVERRATED i know a boatload of people who can scrape and only scrape...everything else they do sucks: windscreen whillys that make me cringe, combo wheelies faster than a ferrari, learn to ride the bike.... thew=xsba champion...did you see him scraping it up left and right? nope. Variation... in my humble opinion, streetbikes will never be as big as fmx, it cant be...there just arent the same risks involved, wow factor, etc... i wish it would be and i will continue to work towards that, but i honestly dont see it happening... sorry about the length, not all of this was directed at geistar and i'm a confused individual anyways. thew also = gay. teach
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02-07-2003, 04:48 PM
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| Registered User  Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY Age: Bike: Crunchy 929, TTR125L Gender:
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| Judging by what I read on this board everyday I know that most stunnas and those who are learning are quite impressed by 12's because we know how much skill it takes to do them. In my opinion it's one of the more difficult stunts to get. The thing that you have to consider is that stunnas only make up a small percent of the potential market for the sport. And if I put myself in the mind of your average Motorsports fan, I think that they would probably be more impressed by high speed, combo type wheelies than slow 12s. I think that people are more impressed by danger than skill. If someone falls off while attempting a sick combo at 90 Mph. they are going to wreck a lot harder than someone who falls off doing a 3 Mph. 12 O'clock. When people go to see motorsports events there is a side we all have that is hoping to see a good wreck. If someone "wrecks" doing a 12 the most exciting part of that is waiting for a half hour while they clean the oil off the track from a busted side cover! I have friends who have rode bikes for years that would rather watch videos of high speed stunts than the slow speed stuff that I like. I try to tell them that slow stunts take a lot more skill and really, I think they know that but they don't care. None of this is the way I think it should be, I'm just telling you what I see. So For the Sport I say High Speed Stunts. For the Art it's gotta be Low Speed. Last edited by yambike : 02-07-2003 at 04:54 PM. |
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02-07-2003, 05:34 PM
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| I Enjoy Posting At StuntLife! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Chicago Age: 26 Bike: CBR1000RR, 04 YZ450F, $5k PITBIKE, '05 ZUMA 60mph & mpg+, '82 MB5, '66 CB160 Gender: Male
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| WHAT ABOUT SLOW COMBOS? a mix up of bar tricks and other combos all under 40mph. is that cool for the sport? do you have to exceed the sound barrier to impress fans? or will the noise of a 600 at high revs be suffice?
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02-07-2003, 05:49 PM
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| Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 37 Bike: don't wanna give those bastards free press Gender: Male
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02-07-2003, 05:55 PM
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| I Enjoy Posting At StuntLife!  Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Daytona Bch, FL Age: 31 Bike: 97 GSXr SLEEPER Gender: Female
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| OK, I can't stunt, I can ride, & do a burn out. I'm not about the wheeling yet! I know its hard to do at first. My boyfriend broke his foot scraping for the first time about a year or so ago. back then the ones that can do 12's then you were trying to make your 12's better while he was trying to walk. He can do 12's all day now. NOW, like Kyle & Patrick, they are the show--with the 12's!! The way they can jump around on the bike in a 12 its just like whoa. BUT when you see it over & over & over, etc... It gets pretty boring. I think that it is awesome that its around (12's) Now everyone should watch their old school tapes of WINK and thank him for that beautiful trick!!
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02-07-2003, 06:15 PM
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| Registered User  Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Brenthook NY Age: 32 Bike: yzf600 when its running Gender:
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| 12vs are good for the sport and if you dont think so ....... you have no clue in my professional opinon as CSI expert , if anyone has the time to sit down with me I can open your eyes 2 and clear the fog , lets see what Brock has to say bout this Swayz
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02-07-2003, 06:18 PM
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| Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: 9se7en3, Morris Plains, Jerzey Age: 28 Bike: '98 CBR 900RR/ '03 XR 50 Gender:
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02-07-2003, 08:48 PM
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| Registered User  Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: HELLVIEW Age: 25 Bike: 9 dubba o dubba r Gender: Male
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you probably sit home and whatch your video of kyleXXX doing 12's over and over with his"pizza pan sprocket"(that didn't stay on the bike that long anyway) and immortalize him so much that you wish you were as good as him so you could ride with him and all the crew, but instead of practicing what you call, "the shizzy" you spend time flapin your jaw on all the web-boards. get a clue 
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02-07-2003, 08:49 PM
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| Registered User  Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DIRTY JERZEY Age: 38 Bike: Haro Gender: Male
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| i personally dont think 12's are bad for the sport i think the lack of variation is something to be concerned with.this lack of variation is due to the fact that if you r practicing 12's(A) you dont need alot of room. (B)can be done without everyone hearing you including the police(C) if your by yourself any mishap you have probably wont be crucial .these any many other reasons make accomplishing 12's a must on any stunnas to do list.im pretty sure circle wheelies will follow ,12's are never going to die they are just another weapon in a well rounded stunnas arsenal of tricks .i agree its boring to watch at times but for me doing 12's is like a zen type experience,but when im doing a show or competing im aware of the spectators and cater to them with tricks that get the crowd excited. I could practice for 3hrs. and 2.5hrs of that time i will do a plain sitdown 12 because i enjoy them. if you want to stand out 12's wont do it.if the only place you can practice is 10feet wide 50yards long with potholes and a mean ass gangster lean 12's soon become the norm. i dont know if i even answered the original question or made any sense but i have to go shovel the snow out of my driveway |
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02-07-2003, 09:13 PM
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| Group Moderator  Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chicago ,IL Age: 28 Bike: 929,f4i Gender: Male
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| Brock, u tell me if what i say is true ? when yes in all means 12's are a pimp trick but its just one of the other tons of tricks u can do on a sport bike to be honest with u i think some of the riders play the trick out ,ill use this as a example u know when u say something funny like "ill split ur mullet" yea its funny hahahahaha the first few times then people say it over and over and over u hear the same thing and it isnt funny no more ,i think the same things happin with 12's people are stoppin the normal tricks and doing all 12's and its all there talkin about is 12 this and 12 that . see the spectators like u say like to see stuff on the edge like going by on a tank wheelie with your legs way out ,or coming by crossed up , rollin long endos ,circle wheelies,etc etc , so as far as 12 yes it takes skill but like i said in the start of this post its just one of the tricks u have to do to be a stunna and remember its not "i can 12 i can 12 "its i can 12 and it looks so in control " think about it ? peace J i dont think 12's are bad for the sport brock u dig ? |
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02-08-2003, 12:31 AM
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| Registered User  Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: jerzee Age: 22 Bike: 02 f4i Gender:
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| i feel thats 12's are a very impressive wheelie....some people{spectators} dont really know the concept of it and how hard it is so they dont really applaud to it so that is what the burnouts and stuff like that are for...but knowin someone can do a 12 is knowin that they have good brake and throttle control |
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